Getting compared to a killer could make you a little blue, too.
This is a discussion on Getting compared to a killer could make you a little blue, too. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; [QUOTE=HOLYROLLER;346763]Lima, I dont believe in fate either...I believe in God. He does in fact orchestrate situations for His purposes and this may have in fact ...
April 20th, 2007 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=HOLYROLLER;346763]Lima, I dont believe in fate either...I believe in God. He does in fact orchestrate situations for His purposes and this may have in fact been one of them.
I would hate to think I served a god that would orchestrate this situation.
P.E.T.A = People eating tasty animals
There is room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes.
April 20th, 2007 12:48 PM
April 20th, 2007 01:25 PM
I advise restraint.
I like the idea of sending the email to her to let her know that she hurt your feelings, etc. That puts the ball in her court to decide if she wants to mend fences or fight.
If she wants to fight, you know she isn't worth the effort of keeping as a friend.
However, my Dad once said to me, "when a man is trying to apologize, don't make it too hard for him. I takes a big person to apologize so if they do, help 'em out".
You have an opportunity here not only to patch things up but also to show her your quality. Might force her to reconcile her image of a gun-toter with her friend the writer.
Good luck. Either way, I believe you will feel better as long as you keep to the high road.
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
April 20th, 2007 01:49 PM
Okay, I had the night to sleep on it.
I said this somewhere on here before, but I'll say it again...
Throughout the years when ANYONE, who is not familiar to guns themselves, finds out that I shoot, or sees one of my targets or comes over and sees a gun, almost ALWAYS, the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, "Remind me not to piss you off."
That statement has always bothered me. What it tells me is that these people, in some deep recess of their mind, really, truly believe that those with guns or who can shoot them are a potential danger.
I have never had a gun person say that to me, ever. When someone who is familiar with guns sees my targets or one of my guns or meets me at the range, the first words that usually come out of their mouth is, "That's some good shooting! What do you got there?.." followed by, "I usually shoot..."
They never joke about making me mad or upsetting me because they understand that no one should fear them for their interest in firearms, why should they fear me.
The general populace is afraid of guns and therefore they fear people with guns and half of the time I don't even think they realize it. They've been too conditioned by media and by propaganda that guns are evil and guns can make good people evil.
There is a movie with the Rock in it, gosh I can't think of the name right now, where, in the movie, he doesn't like to pick up guns. He says (and I quote), "When I pick up guns, bad things happen."
Oooohhhh, but isn't that EVER SO SUBTLE. The audience sees a good guy who doesn't like to pick up guns.
Later, in the movie, OF COURSE, he picks up two guns and you have a good minute where you get to watch his face. You can almost see him fighting the urge to use those guns.. He doesn't want to, but he's drawn to them and then.... what the heck... He starts blowing the crap out of everything with two shotguns.
You know what that tells EVERY SINGLE uneducated person out there... That if you pick up a gun you will feel this crazy sort of draw to it and become a killing machine. Some kids think that's cool and go out and get airsoft rifles and eagerly await the day they can draw that same power from the REAL THING and they soon approach Mall Ninja status. The REST of the uneducated populations goes, "Oh my. You see what guns do to people? They make people crazy! Sure he channels that evil energy from those guns into getting rid of the bad guys, but wow. What if someone without the strength to channel that evil energy were to pick up a gun? Oh my god, it could be horrible."
Then, enter me with my gun diagram and 1911 books.
Okay... I'm ranting again. But you see my point.
So, what have I decided to do?
I'm not going to send the email I wrote up last night, at least not in the way that I wrote it up. It sounds to mushy to me this morning. If I send her anything it's going to be carefully reconstructed. I'm still not going to jump all over her for her ignorance or tell her that she's no longer my friend.
I believe that we can have friends with which we disagree. I also believe that she has a better chance of learning the truth from me that she does listening to anyone else out there.... I'm still an ambassador for my guns and my right to keep and bear them. I'm going to to be my kind, caring, compassionate self that just happens to be armed, and I'm going to try to show her and everyone that that fact doesn't make a bit of difference in who I am.
btw, they know I am a gun advocate.. None of them knows that I carry, and they certainly don't know that while they were speaking of the evils of guns and how much they wished all of them would be banned and how they wished that everyone caught with a gun would instantly get five years in prison, there was a gun within three feet of them the entire time. And while they were making fun of me and my "gun girl" ways, I was armed. While she sat in front of me and asked me if I needed an intervention, my gun was behind my right hip, not hurting anyone. They probably passed by at least two people last night (myself included) who had guns and no one was hurt because of it, but they'll go on in their ignorant bliss and we'll stay silently out of their way.
April 20th, 2007 02:06 PM
A couple of years ago a friend of mine was in his barn shooting bees with a .22 revolver that was loaded with bird shot. A friend of his (best buddy/fishing partner) stopped by and watched. Not knowing it was loaded with bird shot, the first thing he said was "d@mn, remind me to never pi$$ you off". He only meant that he was a good shot.
Originally Posted by limatunes
April 20th, 2007 02:13 PM
LIMITUNES I believe you did a good job with out causeing any hard feelings on the other side. I believethe antis owe you a big apology. If I were you I would send ate e mail. At least they will know how you feel.
April 20th, 2007 02:43 PM
Linatunes - that individual certainly was trying to offend. I would tell that person to go pound sand and find another group. Life is hard enough - you don't have to put up with that nonsense.
The most exhilarating thing in life is getting shot at with no results.
- Winston Churchill
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April 20th, 2007 03:06 PM
It is one of my favorite articles as well--I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Originally Posted by elrey718
April 20th, 2007 03:50 PM
sorry to hear about what happened. Your letter back to her I feel states exactly what you walked away with.
Not to be an ass. But I think this is one of those times when I am happy to be a man. Where I can just blow that off and reply with a proper statement and leave it at that.
Its just something we come to bear when you carry. Hell, I have just applied for mine and I already have people pestering me about it. I try my best to stay out of the fights, but sometimes when people actually attack ME, I have to reply. I am just glad my semester is over in 15 days.
April 20th, 2007 11:13 PM
Remind me never to piss you off! Not because you have "little" Kimber .40 on your hip but because you are you!
Act like a duck and let it roll off your back I am sure they did not want to offend you or hurt your feelings they were just kidding you because they like you and if they did not like you they would ignore you.
Just make sure when you go to hug them you go low and make them go high so they don't feel the Mustang!
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
"Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."
April 21st, 2007 12:36 AM
Someone posted earlier that they were glad they were a guy. I have to lean that way on this one. I don't envy your position. Being of the lady persuasion, you have a much harder road to travel.
Considering that most of the vocal anti's are female, I guess the mindset is supposed to be of the submissive, and that the gun world is a man's world.
Personally, I would have had a hard time keeping my mouth shut, and I admire your restraint.
While your intention with the E-mail is to address the wrong, somehow I see it going the opposite direction than you want it. For that matter, any verbal or written conversation on the subject is likely to go that way. (Maybe it is just my imagination too.)
I know what I would do (pending I was able to initially able to keep a sock in it in the first place), but it may not be the best course of action for you (or anyone else for that matter).
Having read many of your posts, I am certain that you will handle this in a fashion that only you can. You quite measured with your words, and I feel that it will likely play out in your favor. You may not win a convert, but perhaps another, more hospitable, ray of light will be cast on the CC lifestyle, and the gun community as well.
Best of luck.
"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in ... And how many want out." British Prime Minister Tony Blair
April 21st, 2007 02:35 AM
Keep it up and never let your guard down!! SEMPERFI!!
"You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much the universal language."
April 21st, 2007 06:42 AM
"are you stable" This is nothing but thinly veiled projection, they feel that they themselves are not stable and that if they had an "evil gun" that they would not be able to control themselves. Read the article "raging against self defence" here. She is a very insightful woman psychologist so she know some of the hurtful things that people can say.
Good luck and remember at times when you feel overwhelmed by a group you will always have us to talk to, even though it is only a chat on a forum.
-Diplomacy: The art of saying nice dogie until you can find a rock.
-The truth is a three edged sword.
-Your brain is your primary weapon everything else is just a tool.
-When the only tool you have is a hammer then everything starts to look like a nail.
April 21st, 2007 08:55 AM
It is a shame that your writers group treated you so bhaaadly. You are right tensions are high and some people want to blame the guns and gun advocates for the VT tragedy. They just don’t get it that not having VT as a gun free zone would have saved a lot of lives.
"Hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have."
- William Munny (Clint Eastwood in the Unfrogivin)
“The graveyards are full of indispensable men.” – Napoleon Bonaparte
“My Idea of a fair fight is beating baby seals with a club”
April 21st, 2007 10:54 PM
been there got the t-shirt
Limatunes, I'm glad that you handled the situation the way that you did! Well Done! I've been single all 44 yrs of my life, but was dating a lady about 6 mo. ago that was TOTALLY against guns of any type. At times she was venomous in her tirade on guns. I finally had enough when she said that she didn't know if I might come through her door with my gun! I could imagine her getting wierd, after a lover's spat, and me loosing my civil rights over some stupidity. Needless to say, I haven't seen her since (to the relief of all my friends) ! The lady that I'm seeing now had never shot a gun before she met me, She was not against them, just afraid of them. I invited her to the range with me one day, and she agreed to go along, after watching for awhile, she started asking questions and showing intrest. We went over all of the safety procedures,(which she follows perfectly every time) and now is a better shot than me! She is wanting to take her CCW class the first of May! What a gal! She has told me that she feels safe when she's with me. What a differance she"s made in my life! Your husband is a very lucky man to have a level-headed, pistol packin' bride!!
(It's good to be the king!)
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the
service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the
love and thanks of man and woman."
-- Thomas Paine (The American Crisis, No. 1, 19 December 1776)
April 22nd, 2007 09:25 AM
I'd talk to her personally instead of the e-mail. That way you can explain your position and how wrong they were about you. And how ignorant (not stupid) they came across. E-mail can be good as it allows you to order your thoughts and reword things until you say exactly what you want. But face to face communication is always the best IMO.
Good luck. I'm fortunate I don't have people that treat me like that.
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