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    Registered firearms?

    Im confused about some legal aspects of buying/purchasing/owning guns that I havent found answers for. This will be a shotgun (pun intended) of ?'s, feel free to answer any you may have the answer to.
    I also realize these laws may vary from state to state.

    1. What is a "registered" firearm?
    2. Is it legal to own an"unregistered" firearm?
    3. Which guns require use of an FFL when buying state to state?
    4. Do FTF sales require an FFL be involved?
    5. Will buying from a store always result in a registered gun?
    6. Is it better to have unregistered guns that cannot be confiscated or registered guns that you can be sure have not been used in a crime?

    Thanks in advance, HOLYROLLER.

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    This is too highly variable by state ... 50 states, 50 responses. In FL. if you have a concealed carry permit you can go to a gun store and grab a gun out of the case, pay for it, and walk out. If not you have to pass a background check. FL. also allows undocumented "trunk" sales as long as the seller isn't acting in the capacity of a professional dealer(eg you can buy a gun in the paper.) FL has no registration, the Fed. Govt. has no registration of handguns. States like NY do, Ca. requires records of sales.

    5) depends on state...

    6) Confiscated?

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    1. What is a "registered" firearm?
    A weapon that has been registered with the "Authorities" usually your local PD or State Police, not all states require registration

    2. Is it legal to own an"unregistered" firearm?
    depends on the state, if registration is mandatory, you better not get caught with an unregistered gun.


    3. Which guns require use of an FFL when buying state to state?
    Handguns will always have to be shipped to an FFL in your home state. If your buying from a shop, some states will allow you to buy long guns, but you will be subject to any waiting periods. Again, this varies on state. If your buying on-line, it will have to go to an FFL.

    4. Do FTF sales require an FFL be involved?
    Again this depends on state laws, here in PA I can buy long guns
    without going through a FFL, but handguns will always have to go through an FFL.


    5. Will buying from a store always result in a registered gun?
    Not nessecarlily, from my experience you may have to get it registered after the sale. In Michigan IIRC you have 2-3 days to go get your pistol registered after buying it.

    6. Is it better to have unregistered guns that cannot be confiscated or registered guns that you can be sure have not been used in a crime?

    It is best to obey the law, if registering is mandatory, it won't matter which is best. If your worried about a guns history, always buy from a reputable FFL.


    Visit your State's Attorney General's Website or State Poplice for more info.

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/

    http://www.wsp.wa.gov/

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    Correction on FL, even with a CCW, a background check is required, you just avoid the 3 days waiting period. USED to be you avoided both, but the law was changed within the past several years.

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    Good questions and answers.
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    If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.

    "Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."

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    If you are worried a firearm might have been used in a crime, you can call you local pd, and give them the serial number. Most will run the serial number through NCIC for you, and tell you if it has been entered into the national database. This will not cover all cases, but it will tell you if it is stolen, or wanted in relation to a crime.
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    Thanks all, HOLYROLLER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLYROLLER View Post
    Im confused about some legal aspects of buying/purchasing/owning guns that I havent found answers for. This will be a shotgun (pun intended) of ?'s, feel free to answer any you may have the answer to.
    I also realize these laws may vary from state to state.

    1. What is a "registered" firearm?
    2. Is it legal to own an"unregistered" firearm?
    3. Which guns require use of an FFL when buying state to state?
    4. Do FTF sales require an FFL be involved?
    5. Will buying from a store always result in a registered gun?
    6. Is it better to have unregistered guns that cannot be confiscated or registered guns that you can be sure have not been used in a crime?

    Thanks in advance, HOLYROLLER.
    I will answer from the point of view of an Ohio resident.

    1. A firearm whose description and serial number are kept on a file matching the fact that you own or possess it.

    2. Yes. There is no such thing as firearm registration in Ohio.

    3. The only guns that Federal law requires an FFL for transfer are those that you buy in a different state. That applies to all firearms except antiques, which are those which were made before 1899.

    4. Not in Ohio. Very few states require an FFL to handle the sale of a firearm between two private individuals. Here I can give you the cash, you give me the gun, and we part ways 100% legally.

    5. No. If your state does not have gun registration, buying from a dealer will not result in such. The NICS check is wiped out from the system after an approval is made. In fact, the legislation that authorized the NICS check also expressly prohibits the Federal Government from keeping a central registry. The dealer retains the paper form (BATF 4473), and they only turn it to the ATF when the cease doing business or when the ATF wants to inspect their paperwork. In that time, the gun could have changed hands w/o FFL involvement many times.

    6. It is better to have at least one gun that no government agency knows about.

    You seem to be under the impression that gun registration is a universal fact in the USA. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    As a former Washington resident, I am fairly certain that what I said about Ohio also applies to Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLYROLLER View Post
    1. What is a "registered" firearm?
    On a federal level (and some states that have zero registration and some that actually prohibit it), only NFA weapons and items are registered - silencers,machineguns, shortbarrelled weapons, etc.

    These are registered weapons



    These are not.

    Driver carries less than $45 worth of remorse.

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    rfurtkamp...one word......yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLYROLLER View Post
    rfurtkamp...one word......yikes.
    Yikes? Why?

    Please explain.

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    Thats alot of firepower. Just a joke...dont get up in arms...get it?

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    Just to add more confusion to the "Registered" terminology:

    The original Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolvers (later named the Model 27) were registered to the original owner by the S&W factory. The registration number (separate from the serial number) was stamped on the revolver's yoke cut. A registration certificate was issued with each revolver.

    S&W manufactured 5,224 Registered .357 Magnums from 1935 to 1939.


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