This is excellent!
This is a discussion on Wow...amazing how dumb some folks are within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Got this email today, I'm just amazed at the sheer stupidity of some people. "There is absolutely no need to carry any weapon at all. ...
Got this email today, I'm just amazed at the sheer stupidity of some people.
"There is absolutely no need to carry any weapon at all. It is people like you who promote these laws that cause the United States to be the only place where these weapons are so easy to obtain any therefore 32 students are able to be shot while learning in a classroom.
Have you ever noticed that other countries do not have gun related violence? If you make the laws for carrying weapons and obtaining them more difficult you are able to eliminate the need for a weapon altogether.
The United States is an embarrassing place to live because no one has any value for life. Take a look at the statistics and change your point of view based on sheer evidence."
Sent back 2 emails, forgot to rebuttal on the first one.
Do research and then preach to me. England banned guns completely and
crime went up 200%. Austrailia banned guns completely and GUN CRIME WENT UP 40%. 40 out of 50 US States have authorized CCW laws, and all 40 have seen a reduction in crime.
That psycho at VT planned out that attack for OVER TWO MONTHS, purchasing the Glock 9mm 36 days prior, and the Walther P22 2 days prior. The HIPPA Act PREVENTED THE RECORD OF HIS STAY IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION FROM
SHOWING UP, leaving the FBI and the gun sellers to be able to realy only upon his word on a piece of paper that he was never admitted to a mental institution.
If you don't like my opinions, or the sheer facts and logic based laws, fine, stick to your emotional b.s. that hasn't worked for well over 30 years. After all, VT is a gun free zone, and that really stopped somebody hell bent on breaking the law and murdering people in cold blood.
Don't reply if you don't like it. There's a delete button for a reason.
Forgot a few things for you.
Directly accusing me of the violence necessary for weapons is sheer idiocy. CHL holders are amongst the least violent, and the least likely to break any law in any state. We are not criminals running around shooting people, we are people that are planning for the worst case of self defense, with a hope for the best.
Also, since you're telling me to do research, sure, here's some studies done by our own government and independant researchers saying that gun control does NOT work. Then again, humans have been killing each other for thousands of years prior to written law, and during period of written laws. I'd saw we're lucky that this guy used guns and not explosives.
I challenge YOU to change your opinion.
Good for you! Let us know if you get a response, I for one would be most interested to hear it.
Who was the e-mail from anyway?? Your mother a friend or did you write an editorial that opened you up to getting anonymous e-mails?
Those were some great links!
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
"Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."
I sent an email to all of the Criminal Justice Society members telling anybody that has a CHL, or whoever is interested, that UC said they will not attempt to repremand us for leaving our gun in our cars according to Ohio law.
Those links are awesome!
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It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who want to LIVE here and yet complain about how much better this or that country is. Look, this is the United States of America...United We Stand....Love It or LEAVE IT! It is a true tragedy what happened. My heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones. The government screwed up with "protecting our privacy" on the HIPPA forum by not disclosing the shooter as a mental case. Some information should be made available on a need to know basis. Sorry, but if you're a nut job or sex offender, people have the right to know what kind of freak they are having to work/live near!
Me and my buddy had a thought today:
All felons/sex offenders/mental cases are required to have a drivers license, even if it doesn't allow them to drive. They will be marked a big ol F, O, or M with their rap sheet on the back. Illegal for gun shops and private citizens to sell guns without a valid, non marked driver's license.
Makes it easy for us, your average Joe, to make sure that that we're also capable of doing a background check. Solves a heck of a lot of questions to yourself about the other guy you're selling is valid or not. Most of us are stand up folks, and since we're only labeling folks that are prohibited from having them anyway, no harm done to the rest of us. Makes it a LOT easier to make sure the other guy is who he says he is.
I'm not for laws that don't do anything (and there's a lot of them), but it's amazing the kind of problems that are thought about by a few rednecks drinking a beer and having pizza.
Anybody wanna put me up for Ohio State Governor?
Point out that, if he were to move to one of the other countries that he seems to think are so great, he would have no need to be embarrased by living in the US. He could make both him happy and us happy by moving. A win-win situation.
Since I own a fire extinguisher, I must be an arsonist!
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Wow.....I got this reply back:
your email was not sent to me fyi.
other countries do not have to problems we have. not by a long shot. im not sayin YOU want to kill people, its the fact that all these people deem it necessary to carry guns at all. im not saying you are cho at VT im not saying that at all. yes people will still get guns illegally, but if people who are ****ed up but not crime ridden already AKA CHO they cant walk in and buy one.
"other countries do not have to problems we have. not by a long shot."
Apparently, you didn't read any of those links I sent, are are completely unaware of the international world we live in. Here are those links again:
"im not sayin YOU want to kill people, its the fact that all these people deem it necessary to carry guns at all."
Do you own a car, or a home? Do you have car insurance, auto insurance, home owners insurance, or medical and dental insurance? Do you have a fire detector or fire extinguisher? Those are all things we wish we NEVER have to use, but we have them in preparation for the worst. I wish I never have to pull my gun and take a life, but it is a LAST resort. If it comes down to somebody wanting to take my life, or if I'm forced to take theirs to live, that's fine by me.
I've been in at least one situation since I've had my license in under a month where I'm convinced the handle accidently coming out from under my shirt as I exited the vehicle saved my father from serious injury or death from the hands of a gang of teenagers as we were filling up at a gas station. A close friend of mine was the victim of a felony last weekend, which probably could have been prevented if she had her license and was carrying. She plans to get hers soon.
"im not saying you are cho at VT im not saying that at all. yes people will still get guns illegally, but if people who are ****ed up but not crime ridden already AKA CHO they cant walk in and buy one."
Sure sounds like it:
"It is people like you who promote these laws that cause the United States to be the only place where these weapons are so easy to obtain any therefore 32 students are able to be shot while learning in a classroom."
Lady, there are over 20,000 gun laws on the books today. Not a single one of them prevented a loss of life last Monday, nor have they ever done it in the past. Criminals, by the execution of their profession, break the law.
There are approximately 92,000 CCW holders in the state of Ohio. There are approximately 11,464,042 people living in the state of Ohio (as of 2005). That's .8% of the population. If a similar situation happened at UC, and you were in one of those classrooms that psycho went into, what would you wish for? Probably a gun, just like what the police use to defend themselves in deadly situation. There are 14,889 people on campus, students, and workers, combined. Taking the same percentage of the population that carries and applying that to UC, we get 12 people. 12. 3 of the people killed by Cho were concealed handgun license holders, disarmed in accordance to VT's policy. One of them was a competitive shooter. If they had been armed, I can guarantee you that there would have been less of a loss of life.
When Ohio (actually, every state for that matter) passed their CCW laws, the politicians and the Brady bunch screamed about how the streets would turn read with blood. They haven't. They won't. Senator McCarthy is trying to pass legislation banning many types of firearms, and when interviewed on TV, she didn't even understand her own registration. When asked what a barrel shroud is, she said "I don't know", then caught up in her lies, said "It's the thing you put up to your shoulder". No, it's not.
Why are people so afraid of guns, but we are not afraid of the chunks of steel that pass in front of our face that will hit harder than a bullet as we wait for the light to change?
If you don't want to carry a gun, FINE. But don't stick your nose into whether or not I can. I'm preparing for the worst, with a hope for the best, and if you're ever in a life or death situation facing an assailant, I guarantee you're going to wish for something more effective than your keys in your hand. Gun control hasn't worked, and it never will, just like how illicit and illegal drugs work their ways into our communities with ease, guns will do the same. More legislation only disarms me, leaving me with little defense against the criminal element.
I'd love to take credit for the following, but I can't. It's simply that good.
Why are people so afraid of guns and not cars?
It is natural for people to fearful of what they do not understand, or have not been introduced to. Often times people that seem strange, or act differently at first, sometimes turn out to be our best friends. Lets look at our relationship with the automobile, it has been said that we see our vehicle as an extension of ourselves, we like our cars, trucks, and sport vehicles. We also are comfortable around them, how much thought do you put to the fact that when you are standing on the curb waiting for the “walk” light, we are mearly feet from three thousand pound and often much heavier moving objects. Or when we get that “go” to cross the street, the first vehicles in line as we pass are in their natural state of ready to go, held back only by the drivers contact with the brake peddle. This does not bother us in the least. We have grown used to it from years or riding in cars, watching cars, and even driving cars ourselves.
But what do we really know about that driver in the car that goes speeding past as we stand on the curb, or the driver anxiously waiting for the green light as we take our turn to pass through that very same intersection. We don’t know a darn thing; they could be a priest, a Doctor, our neighbor from the next street over. They could also be a twice convicted rapist, someone with mental health issues, or a pedophile. Yet we walk right past, and don’t give it a thought in the world. All this person has to do to change our world forever is to let there foot off the brake, intentionally or not, the deed is done. If they steered the car a little to the right and hit is as we stand on the edge of the curb, intentionally or not, yet we entrust our lives with these people we don’t know, never saw before, or will probably never see again. And we don’t give it a second thought.
Statistically speaking, automobile accidents kill more people every year than guns, that’s including justified homicides, when a police officer kills a criminal, or a battered woman kills her abusive partner, that is a Homicide, a justifiable one, but it goes into the same column as a cold blooded murder when looking at deaths related to guns.
Yet some people will panic at the sight of a gun, even those who have never been touched by any kind of violence in there lives. Why, it’s made of metal, and plastic just like the automobile that just passed them within 2 feet at 35 miles an hour. It has no will of its own, and is incapable of action outside of that precipitated by its possessor. Yet it strikes fear into the hearts of millions of people every day. Yet the same argument arises every time an attempt to relax the laws as to where citizens can lawfully carry a concealed gun, the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent. For over ten years we have heard this argument, it hasn’t come to be. The reasons are the same as to why there aren’t mass road rage incidents on our highways, People understand that their actions bare consequences. If you are cut off by an inconsiderate driver, do you run them off the road, or ram their car. No, you get mad, maybe cuss to yourself, and you get over it. Why. Because you don’t want to get into trouble for causing an accident, you don’t want to live with the fact that you hurt or killed someone, you also don’t want to open yourself to litigation that would surely take everything you own. So why is it so hard to grasp that this same logic applys to the use of a gun?
Those of us that wish to carry a concealed handgun are not crazy, or looking to kill someone, we are by and large average citizens from all walks of life that want the ability to protect ourselves, we are aware that the government can not, and should not be expected to provide us with 24 hour protection. The courts have time and again proven this fact. We are also not trying to push to have every American armed; it is a choice that each and every person must make for themselves. It’s not for everyone. But please realize that we are not trying to force anything on anyone else, we are simply trying to protect our ability to protect ourselves, and our families.
I challenge you, based upon the facts, to change YOUR opinion, and be thankful this guy decided to use guns instead of explosives like what Oklahoma City was put through.
Common sense...and it is not always so 'common'...
Stay armed...stay safe!
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I did not know that & its sad because as u & others have said "1 armed CCW holder could have prevented many deaths" why cant these people understand this? Oh & by the way GREAT argument!! Way to go !!"3 of the people killed by Cho were concealed handgun license holders, disarmed in accordance to VT's policy. One of them was a competitive shooter. If they had been armed, I can guarantee you that there would have been less of a loss of life."