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This is just wrong wrong wrong
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Talk about VT, but make certain you only talk about it from a liberal viewpoint.administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue.
We can rant and rave but unless the parents who actually pay the tuition there complain it will mean nothing.
And that would be the proverbial exception that confirms the rule.Originally Posted by rodc13
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Randy Cain.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
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You're suggesting that there's only one private school which promotes a conservative agenda?
Cheers,
Rod
"We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded!" Dick Winters
There may be more than one, but they are in the VAST minority. I think we can all at least agree on that point...
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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Not at all convinced of that, so I'll do my own homework.
Cheers,
Rod
"We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded!" Dick Winters
And that is your right.
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Randy Cain.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
Signed: Me!
Hmm, rodc13, I usually agree with your opinions and observations - though maybe it's just an Airborne thing- but I must respectfully disagree here. Based on my readings and experience, I would say that the overwhelming majority of colleges and universities, and their faculties, are decidedly left leaning. Thus, in response to the VT shootings (abetted by their "gun-free" policies), Yale bans toy guns from the drama department and this professor is summarily fired for espousing anything other than a purely leftist view of the incident.
If you have evidence that conservative ideals are espoused by a majority (or even a significant minority) of US colleges, then I would be most interested to see it. It may be that I have been wrong all this time…
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A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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The halls of proffesional education are the ruthlessly gaurded domain of the liberals. It is a field where entitlement is rife and performance is meaningless. Short of working for the Government directly what could be more suited to liberals than education.
You will find more conservative leanings in the "real science" departments. Engineering and other such "it works or it doesn't in the real world" fields tend to have a much more conservative streak.
I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical University for Aerospace Engineering. The school was primarily conservative being mostly pilots and engineers. It also had the largest Air Force ROTC detachment outside Colorado Springs. Even with the emphasis on engineering, flying and the defense industry we had our nest of liberal nut jobs locked away in the "fuzy thinking" departments. Although there was, thankfully!, no "Liberal Arts" degree we did have to have some courses like Art Appreciation in Western Europe, English Literature, History, Sociology, Philosophy and the like. Even there we had at least a couple people with their heads on straight. To balance out the PETA supporting anti-military whack job doing philosophy we had a history teacher who served in the Pacific in WWII and had a question on the final that read as follows:
"Your teacher believes the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were justified, give two reasons he stated in class."
One of the accepted answers was he would have had to invade mainland Japan if it didn't work!
Man, on my final we had to attack or defend the decision to use atomic weapons in an essay that counted for 25% of the grade. The prof expected you to use as many arguments as possibly, cover possible outcomes had we not used them, and suggest alternatives. It was a beast!"Your teacher believes the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were justified, give two reasons he stated in class."
One of the accepted answers was he would have had to invade mainland Japan if it didn't work!
Also - did you go to ERAU in Daytona? I grew up just south of there, and had a friend go through in 89-93...
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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Sorry, I really shouldn't have been so abrupt in my previous answer. I'll do some homework on the issue. I think a lot would depend on the location, demographics, religious backing or lack thereof, even the emphasis in course of study (technical vs. arts). The original comment was about private schools, but there's also wide variation in public schools.
One big difference in public schools would be that the First Amendment does come into play there. Maybe a good case for public schools. When I attended Texas A & M back in the early '70s, it could certainly have been described as a largely conservative school (still is). However, I recall that a wide variety of viewpoints were discussed and encouraged. There was a lot of frank and open discussion in class, both by students and professors. I don't recall anyone ever being fired for having viewpoints that were either too liberal or too conservative.
UT Austin, on the other hand, was and is considered to be largely liberal, but I don't have personal experience with academics on that campus.
I expect others in this forum can report on wide variety in their college experiences.
Cheers,
Rod
"We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded!" Dick Winters
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They just ran this guys story on CNN including an interview of the professor and students wh were in his class.
The reasons for him being fired was not toward what folks here think.
It was because during his class when a student asked to talk abotu the VT event he replied with "So what?!". He went on to say that many more American people did and will die in Iraq/Afghanistan or of HIV/AIDS and that in comparison the VT event is a minor item.
After stating this he went on to do his pretend shooting of students thing with his marker.
The school took issue with his ststemants reducing the VT event to be a minor non issue by comparison to what he deemed to be more important issues suchas Iraq and the genocide in Darfur.
For a non tenured professor he very much should've known better.
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I'm glad I didn't go to a Catholic university...
Actually, I went to Virginia Tech. Never had any classes in Norris, though.
This seems like a good case for public universities, rather than private ones. A private university is just like a private company. They can fire you for any reason they want. If you don't like it, don't work there.
Also, I've never heard of any Catholic university (or any other religious one) having a good engineering program. It seems like they just do waste-of-time stuff like law, poli-sci, and general liberal arts junk.
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Notre Dame has a pretty good engineering program, as does Brigham Young.
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