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This is a discussion on Schools answer to security, same old crap. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mmwb If I were a student now, with a permit to carry, I'd carry. Screw the policies. Get an estremely low profile ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmwb View Post
    If I were a student now, with a permit to carry, I'd carry. Screw the policies. Get an estremely low profile pocket gun, and make sure noone sees it...but then that is the idea any way isn't it. It would be the same if I were an employee on campus...
    +1 Enough said


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    As mmwb already pointed out the prayer vigil isn't designed to improve campus security. But to help with emotion and spiritual healing issues. They are a good idea that may be necessary or not depending on the person and their beliefs.

    However, they don't do a thing to improve campus security which seriously needs to be addressed all across the country. Allowing those legally able to CCW on campus would be a great way to start. A better way to communicate than sending an e-mail that not everyone is going to see until hours later is a good idea too. There won't be one answer to fix this problem but many to make it better one step at a time. Unfortunately too many people, including college and university administrators, just stick their heads back in the sand and imagine everything is better at their school.
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    Allowing those with a permit to carry would increase campus security. Most LEOs will admit they are usually for after the fact. They are called once a crime has been committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig P239 View Post
    Hey, if it doesn't work, do it twice as hard.

    They will never learn. What the heck would it take for them to admit that letting the students CCW would be a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanksoldier View Post
    As I understand it carry on campus in Virginia isn't against the law, it is merely against school policy... which may get you expelled, but not put in jail.

    Something to think about if you go to school in VA.

    yup, I do not carry yet (still waiting) but right now after what happened. If you carried on campus and were caught, expelled and receive the full blow. I am sure any lawyer even the shittiest of them all could get you back into school after VT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Vigil is not standing watch but watching inside yourself. It is a spiritual observance or instrospection.
    +1

    As far as security, put a fish with teeth in a fishbowl and everybody will think twice before they stick a hand into the tank....
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    An increase in security would mainly be a "feel good" move.

    For an increase in security to actually have an effect, the number of security personnel would have to be drastically increased. $$$$$$$

    I'm betting that after the shock of VT dies down, it will be business as usual. Extra security personnel would be quietly removed to save dollars.

    The only security measure that would make a real difference is to allow the students to exercise their God given right to self defense.
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    I'm might catch some heat for saying this, but here it goes...

    What in the world is a security guard going to do to stop a VT type shooting from happening? A guard will just become a victim. A static person in a uniform in that type situation is going to be nothing more than a bullet catcher.
    The best security guard around is one's self. You belong in that enviroment, you are not wearing a monkey suit, and you blend in. Most importantly the BG has no idea you are the one aiming to drop him.
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    I hate to say this because this society has become sue happy. If I had a loved one that lost there life because of a stupid policy I would sue the S!@# out of them. It's the only way to get through to these people (THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR) Sounds cold I'm sorry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I'm might catch some heat for saying this, but here it goes...

    What in the world is a security guard going to do to stop a VT type shooting from happening? A guard will just become a victim. A static person in a uniform in that type situation is going to be nothing more than a bullet catcher.
    The best security guard around is one's self. You belong in that enviroment, you are not wearing a monkey suit, and you blend in. Most importantly the BG has no idea you are the one aiming to drop him.

    As one that works in that field I could not agree with you more.
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    I told a few people that I worked with (when I worked security) to keep their eyes and ears open for anything. They would invariably ask why. I would tell them that the badge they wore on their shirt was little more than a target (we were an unarmed company). It, the badge, was bright and shiney and could be seen around corners. Just something for someone to aim at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanksoldier View Post
    As I understand it carry on campus in Virginia isn't against the law, it is merely against school policy... which may get you expelled, but not put in jail.

    Something to think about if you go to school in VA.
    Same for Colorado - Attorney General [D] Salazar, now with the majority in Congress - affirmed that the school can override state law and prohibit lawful concealed carry on campus. Expulsion (for students) and bannishment (employees and visitors) are the penalties.

    Friday, they (rightfully) expelled a student after receiving an annonymous tip for illegally storing a rifle, pistol and "several hundred rounds of ammunition" in their dorm room. Students were notified via mass e-mail - with the usual "there was never any danger" crap thrown in for good measure.

    When will they learn that gun bans don't apply to criminals. When my wife and I go to visit our son, we have to go unarmed. Not a good feeling - but its the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4my son View Post
    IMHO, a "gun free zone" only creates a "barrel of fish" and we all have heard what it's like.

    As for law and carry on campus, It is unlawful to carry on campus, that's a big part of the stink, Tech was a big player in making Collage campuses off limits, then they applied their own policy against any weapons to further drive home the message.
    Carrying on campus is not unlawful - Colleges simply have an exemption from the state law that says no state-run institution can disallow CCW on their premises. Each College or University is free to set policy. They can expel you, but you won't be charged with a crime. Kind of like cheating on a test.

    The Virginia House Bill that got killed in commitee would have removed that exemption, preventing Colleges and Universities from penalizing students and faculty who exercise their RKBA with a CC permit.

    That *might* have saved some lives at Virginia Tech. Even if no one had been carrying at Ambler-Johnston or Norris at the time of the shootings, at least the students would have the option afterwards of responding appropriately and preventing repeats by getting a permit and carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullseye View Post
    I hate to say this because this society has become sue happy. If I had a loved one that lost there life because of a stupid policy I would sue the S!@# out of them. It's the only way to get through to these people (THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR) Sounds cold I'm sorry!
    I think this is a case where a lawsuit would be appropriate!
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