The ''deterrent'' effect

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    My personal opinion is that for your normal criminal it does have a deterent effect. Most criminals are looking for an easy mark that won't resist - the highest gain for the least risk. Knowing that anyone you rob, attack, etc may be armed raises the possibility of effective resistance and would therefore deter some criminals. However, for someone like the shooter at VT I doubt it would have had any deterent effect. I do believe it could have made the attack and loss of life less.
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    I would have to say the most criminals would rather not confront an armed citizen. Nut Jobs and meth heads are another story.
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    I've got to think that areas where the right to carry are honored are no so much deterring as much as the "Helpless vctim Zones" are an extra bit inviting.
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    One thing we do know is that Gun Free Zones do not deter criminal violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    I do wonder whether bad guy's knowledge of CCW folks has much effect. In theory it would seem it does but at same time some bad guys just seem hell-bent on commission of their crimes regardless.

    I doubt somehow that Cho in the VT episode would have paused for long had he known there could be armed resistance - he was IMO too far ''gone'' as a head case to worry - after all he was already decided on taking his own life probably.
    I agree to an extent, P95, but the fact that Cho locked the doors indicates to me that perhaps CCW would have mattered. My reasoning is this:

    Chaining the doors shut indicates that Cho wanted uninterrupted time to shoot his victims. Cho did not want police breaking in to stop him before his mission was complete. This tells me that if it was publicized that CCW was allowed on campus, he would know that he might possibly be stopped from within the school building. It may not have been enough to deter him, but the very fact that he took the time to take measures to keep police out may mean that knowledge of concealed weapons inside the building may have been a deterrent.

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    the fact that Cho locked the doors
    Yes - good point I had forgotten.

    I still think he was decided about the suicide deal but was keen to allow himself unfettered killing time first.... thus maybe that was #1 reason for chains ... but true too he could have been mindful of either cop's guns or even a CCW.

    How different it could have been if he had been taken out in the dorm where he started his mayhem.
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    part of the problem is that so many BGs don't think. The ones who have been introduced to Mr S&W, Colt, Glock etc, really do prefer that they be in LEO hands, and not John Q. Citizen - why? bc the LEO has training and has defined rules to follow - John Q. ? who knows?

    he may or may not have training, he may ignore the rules...

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    The Texas Senate just passed a bill that gives the Death Penalty to a second time sex offender of a minor. I believe that certain pedophiles will move from Texas if that bill is signed into law.

    I also believe that Texas' record on using the death penalty is a deterrent, and that some criminals won't break the law in Texas when they can go to California!

    As was mentioned earlier Lott wrote the book on how CC is a deterrent.

    No it is not going to stop the Chos in the world from starting to kill 33 people but it may very well have stopped it.

    Some criminals will take more chances than others and there will always be bold BGs, the more good guys with CHLs the better in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    The Texas Senate just passed a bill that gives the Death Penalty to a second time sex offender of a minor. I believe that certain pedophiles will move from Texas if that bill is signed into law.
    Off topic but how can anyone not love Texas?
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    I can tell you from experience that the punks s I have run in to decided they did not want to tangle with an armed citizen. Believe me, they can read you, your body language and your intentions. If you are willing to go the distance, even without a weapon, they will think twice about you as a target. The weapon is just an extension of you and your persona. Always been that way, always will be..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Off topic but how can anyone not love Texas?
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    After Virginia switched to being a "shall issue" state, a Fairfax County Officer spoke to our rotary club.

    She indicated that she and many of her co-workers did not like the change since it would mean they had a greater chance of interacting with armed citizens.

    She went on to say something to the effect of: however, we can't argue with facts. After the law change, there was an immediate substantial drop in violent street attacks and home invasions throughout the Commonwealth.

    I don't know where she got her statistics but it was very convincing coming from someone opposed to the law.

    That's proof enough for me that the concealed carry laws DO benefit us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    P95

    The Texas Senate just passed a bill that gives the Death Penalty to a second time sex offender of a minor. I believe that certain pedophiles will move from Texas if that bill is signed into law.
    Wow, Texas is awesome.

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    I wonder if criminals, knowing more citizens are armed, have adopted more violent tactics.
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