Our (former) diplomats at work - UNBELIEVABLE! - merge

[Tom G]

The first step to takeing over a nation is to take the guns away. If you don't believe it just look at what is happening in Iraq. They have lots of guns.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[obxned]

See below:

[dwolsten]

If he is such a hot shot on the subject of guns why dosen't he figure a way to stop the illegal drug trade which is the underlying problem of people being murdered

But the drug trade is endorsed by the Federal Government and the Bush Administration. After all, when US Border Patrol agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos shot in self-defense against drug smuggler Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila of Mexico, hitting him in the butt, they were convicted of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights violation, and sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison. Gee, some thanks for defending our country.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52545

Of course, Bush, who has more loyalty to his compatriots in Mexico than his own people, set his prosecutors on these loyal Border Patrol agents for violating a drug smuggler's "civil rights", and refuses to pardon them.

You wonder why people are voting for the Republicans lately? It's because they're in favor of illegal immigration and drug smuggling! (At least the guy in the White House is; the others are all suffering from "blowback").

[P95Carry]

Easy on the politics folks! Keep it light for here.

[dwolsten]

Easy on the politics folks! Keep it light for here.

Sorry; I just see so many posts here complaining about Democrats and acting like Republicans really represent conservative, pro-gun interests here, when in reality most of them are just as bad. I'll try to keep it on-topic.

[Stetson]

Sounds like the guy wants to be the moral police , big brother all rolled up in one! Americans in general will not submit to blanket
orders like that;never have ,never will!

[HOLYROLLER]

Stetson...so we obey the law until its inconvenient?

[jackofspades]

Stetson...so we obey the law until its inconvenient?

Hypothetically, its probably more of a 'obey the law till its wrong', not inconvenient.. Speed Limits are inconvenient, revoking the 2nd Amendment (or, really, any of them) is wrong.

[ExSoldier]

Hypothetically, its probably more of a 'obey the law till its wrong', not inconvenient.. Speed Limits are inconvenient, revoking the 2nd Amendment (or, really, any of them) is wrong.

There is a mechanism built into the CONSTITUTION for things like BAD LAW. Judges hate to tell juries about it during instructions and hate it worse if somebody on the jury knows and invokes the doctrine of JURY NULLIFICATION. It goes like this:

Yeah, okay we the jury agree that defendant "X" is culpable in the shooting death of deceased perpetrator "Y" in violation of the California Assault Weapons Ban since perpetrator "Y" was in the process of assaulting the 12 year old daughter of defendant "X" and "X" subsequently riddled "Y" 30 times with a prohibited AR15 and a prohibited 30 rd magazine. Recognizing that "X" is culpable only in using these prohibited devices while engaging in lawful self defense we the JURY do hereby declare the defendant NOT GUILTY by the process of JURY NULLIFICATION in saying that the AWB is BAD LAW.

You can see how this would tend to drive folks who run the criminal justice system totally nutz! I've seen judges throw out the verdicts of these type of jury renderings.

[stalker_us2000]

He can have my guns (One Bullet at a TIME)

[HOLYROLLER]

In the military we have such a clause (we must obey all LAWFUL orders), but I was not aware of such an option for civilians. Has this ever played out anywhere?

[jackofspades]

In the military we have such a clause (we must obey all LAWFUL orders), but I was not aware of such an option for civilians. Has this ever played out anywhere?

Civil Disobedience is always an option.

[HOLYROLLER]

Then what would separate us (civilians) from the BG's? You break the law and youre a criminal. Are there good criminals?

[ExSoldier]

In the military we have such a clause (we must obey all LAWFUL orders), but I was not aware of such an option for civilians. Has this ever played out anywhere?

While UCMJ requires obedience to lawful order, there is a DUTY to DISOBEY illegal orders, lawful or not. But you'd better be right.

[jackofspades]

Then what would separate us (civilians) from the BG's? You break the law and youre a criminal. Are there good criminals?

I don't know, is Rosa Parks (for example) a good criminal? How about Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, and a few other gents with white wigs? Good Criminals?