however, there's nothing about firearms there.
This is a discussion on 3 dead in mall Shooting (Merged) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan How can that be? Every mall I know of is posted no firearms. well, the steamtown mall in scranton doesn't have ...
however, there's nothing about firearms there.
The mall sits right on the state line, and it actually started with the police searching downtown and finding a dead body. They located the car, followed it, and ended up at the mall. It did not start there, and yes, the story will continue to change. This mall is not that busy, not sure where that came from, once boomed, but like most malls today, going down hill. I am from this area, so should be interesting how it all pans out.
I know, I know, you are smarter than me..just ask you..
Very sad, will be on the lookout for more info. Prayers and thoughts to the family of those killed and wounded. :(
Our local mall isn't posted either.
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In a strange way,I believe too much news coverage encourages these type of shootings.Perhaps a demented mind perceives some type of fame and glory if they are splashed across television.
Looks like the shooting actually began/happened outside the mall in the parking lot. Boy, situational awareness is really important when you pull into a parking lot or someone pulls in beside you and I always park away from the crowd so that I'm not pulling into a constricted situation.
Thoughts and prayers with the families and friends of the victims.
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People have absolutely lost their freaking minds. Don't understand what goes through some people's mind (but, I guess its a good thing I don't understand). It seems as though this might be one of the times that a ccw'er contains the situation. Whatever the case, thoughts and prayers out to the families that were affected.
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Folks , without second guessing what actualy happened , i have seen helicopter news footage that shows a " forrest " of crime scene markers ( my take was brass ) . This was discussed a while back on the get you a trunk gun ( rifle ) thread tho we got into the possibility of multiple shooters on it .
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Last Edited: Sunday, 29 Apr 2007, 8:14 PM CDT
Created: Sunday, 29 Apr 2007, 3:43 PM CDT
Paramedics load a victim into an ambulance at Ward Parkway Mall in Kansas City, Mo. on Sunday, April 29, 2007. Police said a suspect opened fire in the mall and killed at least two citizens. Working 4 You
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KANSAS CITY, MO. -- At least three people are dead after a gunman fired shots at Ward Parkway Mall at 86th and Ward Parkway in Kansas City, Mo. around 3:30 p.m. on Sunday.
Two citizens and the gunman are among the dead.
According to KCMO Police, the two dead citizens were shot in the parking lot of the mall, and the gunman died inside the mall.
There are other reports of two more wounded at the shopping center, and an officer who was shot at a gas station and another dead body on E 93rd Street in KCMO.
Sources report that the incident began when police were called to the 3700 block of E. 93rd Street to check on the welfare of an elderly woman. Officers found a dead woman inside the home, and released a description of the woman's car, which was missing from the scene.
A KCMO Police officer saw the car at a gas station at Bannister Road and Lydia. When the officer stopped the car, the driver shot the officer in the arm, and the officer shot back shattering the windows of the suspect's car.
Around 3:30, officers responded to a call of gunshots inside Ward Parkway Mall. KCMO Police Captain Rich Lockhart said officers confronted the gunman in a common area inside the mall. During the confrontation, officers shot the gunman to death, Lockhard said in a written statement.
Police believe the dead gunman is the same man who shot the officer on Bannister Road, as they found the same vehicle from the scene in the mall parking lot.
Emergency crews found the two other victims on each side of the vehicle that the suspect drove to the mall.
Witnesses reported a chaotic scene at the shopping center.
"The emergency crews have been rushing to the scene unlike anything I have seen before," Lisa Hoffman, witness at the scene, said. "Dozens of fire crews, EMTs, medics and ambulances rushing from every direction up and down Ward Parkway and State Line and 75th."
Hoffman said that officers had "troubled" looks on their faces as they scrambled to close off the entrances to the shopping center.
SKYFOX flew over the scene spotting buses parked to help those evacuated from the mall. While customers were ushered out, many employees remained inside on lockdown.
Bullets shattered the windows at Starbucks. Shots were also fired in the Target at the mall.
KCMO Police still have to determine if the first dead body found on E. 93rd Street is related to the shooting at the mall. If it is, that will bring the number of fatalities to four.
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You know, they like to argue the "if-your-grandma-had-gonads" argument, as though what coulda been has any meaning to us when we're living in what is. Besides the which, they always discount that the greatest mass murders ever committed have had nothing at all to do with firearms. Fire, yes. Firearms? No.
I think they want more people to die. That's why they're driving to get rid of guns, which will leave people to use gasoline and matches more often.
The nihilist cynic in me is hoping they succeed, just so that we can punch them in the face and say, "SEE?! DIDN'T WE FREAKIN' TELL YOU SO?!"
Another incident that reinforces my motto - "Don't leave home without it". I think my wife is starting to get the idea as well....she no longer rolls her eyes when I go into the closet to "strap it on" before leaving the house......
While I live in a smaller metro (Des Moines) these scenarios are NOT limited to the "Big City"....keep you firearm handy and your head on a swivel!!!!
I would have thought this crime would have happened at Bannister Mall in Kansas City. But Banniser Mall is now closed do to the rough area it had become and al the Tenants that left there.
There had been many crimes commited there. It is too bad that there had not been a sign that read, "We encourage those with a CCW to have thier weapon's Loaded and Ready"
I dont have a P3AT Mouse Gun
or a G23,,,
Or do I ?