Pro-Campus Carry Op-ed in Ohio State Lantern

Pro-Campus Carry Op-ed in Ohio State Lantern

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    Pro-Campus Carry Op-ed in Ohio State Lantern

    When Florida liberalized its restrictive and disjointed system of concealed carry laws in 1987, many states followed suit. In each case, naysayers predicted everything from "blood in the streets" to "parking lot shootouts." Just as regularly, after each state changed the law to allow more law-abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns, the results were peacefully anticlimactic. Within a year or so after a law changed, a law enforcement or political figure would be quoted in an article admitting they were surprised that there had been no major problems.

    Now after the Virginia Tech shootings, there are those wanting concealed carry to be allowed on college campuses. I've wanted this for ages, not as an "answer" to mass shootings (there is no single answer), but because it would further improve the safety of individuals who are legal to carry elsewhere in Ohio.

    Predictably, the naysayers are still at work. They claim the same tragic consequences as they always have, aggravated by our youthful population and the abuse of alcohol. One of the arguments that keeps popping up is that "everyone will have a gun." They expect us to believe that the most irresponsible students will start carrying guns while drunk, wreaking havoc in our residence halls and classrooms. What they don't mention is that in Ohio the minimum age for a concealed handgun license is 21. Plus, applicants have to take a 12-hour training course. At most, only around 4 to 5 percent of state populations obtain gun carry permits. Plus, schools could still be allowed to ban guns from their residence halls. I could state that these predictions are balderdash, but there is a better way to show this: real life results. "Campus carry" already exists.

    Utah is the only state that specifically allows licensed gun carriers on college campuses. Until just recently, the administration of the University of Utah banned legally concealed guns, but a decision from the Utah Supreme Court forced them to comply. Other colleges in Utah, including the College of Eastern Utah, have had legal concealed carry since at least 2003. If there were serious problems with these schools, wouldn't we have heard of them by now? Opponents of campus carry don't like to talk about what happens in the real world; only what happens in their pessimistic, sociologically illiterate minds.

    The best reason for allowing CHLs on campus is that those of us who want to go armed need to carry as much as possible to make it a habit. The safest place for a defensive handgun is on one's person, not locked in a car (currently allowed by Ohio law on campus) or at home. No one can predict when they might be attacked, so one needs to carry a defensive weapon as much as possible. Do you only wear your seatbelt when you think you will be in a crash?

    Proper weapons training (another thing most administrators don't have) dictates that weapons should be carried in the same place as much as possible. When faced with danger, the mind will be occupied by other things, and one's weapon presentation should be automatic. This is true for any weapon or tool that will be used under stress. Unfortunately, our society ignores the real purpose of defensive weaponry, and stigmatizes handguns as suitable only for killing people instead of admitting their real purpose: saving innocent human life from an unexpected attack. A 1995 study, which showed firearms are used more than 2 million times per year in self-defense, described how prosocial uses for weapons at the very least cancelled out the negatives. Another criminologist, the late Marvin Wolfgang, followed that article with his own, expressing surprise as well as admiration because he had long been against firearms ownership, but could find nothing wrong with their methodology.

    CHL holders do not become violent, "Wild West" savages when they come onto campus. Those of us who carry simply want to be able to protect ourselves to the best of our abilities at all times. Yes, campus is relatively safe, but the neighborhoods surrounding OSU and the places where visitors come from may not be.

    Society is not made any safer by restricting individuals' right and means to self-defense.
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    The sad part about the article is the true fact that people will make the same negative remarks and be believed, even when it doesn't come to pass. And in those one-in-a-million time when something happens they will shout "told you so" and gain false credibility!
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    Opponents of campus carry don't like to talk about what happens in the real world; only what happens in their pessimistic, sociologically illiterate minds.
    This was funny, and spot on.

    Good article, glad to see central Ohio isn't totally devoid of intelligent life.
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    There are a few enlightened souls around here. I will be happy to move away from the campus area in August, though I will still have to commute to campus. Thus I wish Ohio law would change to allow campus carry.

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    Q: Is there any mechanism (security checkpoints, metal detectors) that would catch you carrying "illegally" on campus? I ask, because if one were to decide to carry in spite of not being "allowed" to, one would probably never be detected until and unless one needed the gun, to save lives.

    This goes on a lot more than we talk about, I'll bet.

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    http://www.osu.edu/map/google.php

    That will give you an idea of the size of campus. 50k+ students, no metal detectors...and I rarely see OSU police, save their routine patrols.

    Logistically nothing really prevents one from carrying on OSU and it would come down to a matter of personal belief.

    In Ohio the issue is more legal. Campuses are enumerated within Ohio Revised Code as a No Carry area, other than legally storing your ccw in your car. The other issue is notifying officers when you are carrying. Driving through "University" streets, this would more than likely not be an issue because of reformed car carry laws that just went into effect and the peaceable journey provisions. But what if a student is questioned by an officer while walking to class?

    Ohio is not a bad state when it comes to gun laws...no waiting periods, preemption just went into effect, no "permit" to own guns or buy ammo. But as you probaly see around the boards there is a lot in our CCW laws that should be looked at and reformed. From what I hear both the new govenor (who, as a candidate, supported the reformed CCW laws as the incumbant republican was vetoing them)
    and the AG are pretty pro-carry.

    I am not a CCW permit holder...yet. New gun owner within the last 3-4 months. I was really into politics right before starting college, but had slight burnout and have been apathetic to a degree the last few years. I vote every election, just not as impassioned as I once was...gun ownership has changed that quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    Q: Is there any mechanism (security checkpoints, metal detectors) that would catch you carrying "illegally" on campus? I ask, because if one were to decide to carry in spite of not being "allowed" to, one would probably never be detected until and unless one needed the gun, to save lives.

    This goes on a lot more than we talk about, I'll bet.
    There are no real security measure to prevent it. It is a very large, very open campus. The main part of campus alone is about 12 blocks long by 5 blocks or so. Plus all the auxiliary parts of campus that are right around.

    The problem as mentioned is legal. And personally as a 22 year old who needs a clean background check for my job I start in graduation after 4 more weeks, I don't really see a benefit (I know that if I am dead it won't matter anyways.) But getting expelled, and never being able to carry or own firearms again, and losing my job offer would really screw things up (once again, I know getting killed would too).

    Plus even if the weapon was used to save lives, Columbus is extremely anti-gun city politically, and it is almost certain that a student would be prosecuted, even if found not guilty, they would still have all the court fees from that.

    IMHO at this point in my life, not worth it, and that is how many of the other students who carry feel.
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    After watching the 5 o clock news, we're basically screwed if we do, screwed if we don't....


    Another armed robbery just off campus area....4 against 1...gun pulled and the victim assaulted....

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    That is a well written Op-Ed. Thanks for posting it.
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    http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/new...5-07-0005.html

    COLUMBUS -- Authorities issued a Crime Alert for The Ohio State University campus Monday morning following an armed robbery that occurred Sunday.

    According to Ohio State University police, a man was robbed at gunpoint near the area of West 9th and Hunter Avenues, NBC 4 reported.

    One of the perpetrators showed a handgun during the robbery, and another punched the robbery victim in the face.

    In all, police said, four men took part in the robbery.

    A description of the suspects was not immediately available, but anyone with information about the case is asked to call Columbus police at 614-645-4545.

    Stay with NBC 4 and refresh nbc4i.com for additional information.
    Yeah, that sucks, but as I am sure you know, there are certain areas around campus that should be avoided, especially at night. South of Chittenden and East of 4th come to mind.

    Off North campus ain't too bad, seems to be a little less crime, and we have some pretty decent bars.
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    Campus area isn't scary....if you are smart about it. Stick to high street and well populated areas, try not to travel alone and don't make yourself a target. Most students know the "bad" areas from the "good".

    When I went home one weekend and told my mom I was doing the CCW class, she wanted to know if campus was really that bad that I needed to carry. I told her no, but its better to have the tool then want it latter. She's still not completly sold, but I think she understands to a point and knows she doesn't have much of a say in it.

    Thankfully we have people, author of the oop-ed piece here amongst others, that at least sees the value of CCW. I probaly won't see that as an option with the year and a half left that I have.

    (North Campus is pretty nice...I live south of the gateway, so I only have the corporate bars there in this area, unless I visit my friends up on north Campus or go to the country bar)

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    A yes, Nyo's or however you spell it, the "country bar" I work a few bars on North Campus, so I get good deals there on my nights off, I stay up here, shorter walks home.

    The parking lot behind us has a lot of break ins, but no one has screwed with my truck in the driveway yet. A few home invasions. There are small minority of students vocal about things like CC on campus, we are out there, we try to be heard.

    Your mom will get used to it, and the first time u go to a bad part of town with her and she asks if you are carrying, then you know she understands.
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    Actually not nyhos...we go to the one out east off 70.

    I am looking forward to getting the app in to the the dectectives here in the next few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye07 View Post
    There are no real security measure to prevent it. It is a very large, very open campus. The main part of campus alone is about 12 blocks long by 5 blocks or so. Plus all the auxiliary parts of campus that are right around.

    The problem as mentioned is legal. And personally as a 22 year old who needs a clean background check for my job I start in graduation after 4 more weeks, I don't really see a benefit (I know that if I am dead it won't matter anyways.) But getting expelled, and never being able to carry or own firearms again, and losing my job offer would really screw things up (once again, I know getting killed would too).

    Plus even if the weapon was used to save lives, Columbus is extremely anti-gun city politically, and it is almost certain that a student would be prosecuted, even if found not guilty, they would still have all the court fees from that.

    IMHO at this point in my life, not worth it, and that is how many of the other students who carry feel.

    Also, as I remember clearly from my time up there, it's impossible to man those stations. Each building has MANY possible entrances, and there's simply not enough people to do that.

    Even then, say somebody with malice intent shows up to class late, after people are already in class for a little bit. How are those folks manning the metal detectors going to stop them? They probably won't, not too many people are dumb enough to believe they can sneak a gun through a metal detector. I've got a strong feeling that they would simply pull the trigger and then enter the building.
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    Geek (ya don't mind if I call ya that, do ya?) I've seen the one of 70, never been there. Yeah, the sooner the app .goes in, the sooner you get it back. I'll assume that you aren't doing it in Franklin county either, remember you can do it in any county adjacent to the one your permanent address is in (so I did mine down in Cincy).

    Yeah Jeep, way too many entrances to cover on all the buildings. Although some of them are supposed to be locked after normal hours and just like one or two on the buildings stay unlocked, except for the libraries. Also metal detectors wouldn't really do any good in a shooter scenario, since if it was timed correctly there would be huge back ups and lines, which would be bad.
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