Alberto Gonzales: Youth, Gang Violence Blamed for Countrywide Crime Spike

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    So some of you don't like my solution where by society starts holding parents responsible for setting a good example and that society stops celebrating single parents.

    What is your solution to the gang culture or do you agree with Chris that it is unstoppable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    So some of you don't like my solution where by society starts holding parents responsible for setting a good example and that society stops celebrating single parents.

    What is your solution to the gang culture or do you agree with Chris that it is unstoppable?
    What does "hold responsible" mean? Are you going to start locking up single mothers whose kids get in trouble? Are you going to pass a law against single parents?

    And how the hell is society "celebrating" single parents? What an idiotic comment. Every sane person knows that single parenting is not an ideal situation; they only commend those who are forced into it because they know it's difficult. Who would you rather celebrate? The dead-beat dads who abandon the mothers and children? The way I see it, it's primarily men who are the problem here: they're not single parents, because they're the ones who take off when the girl gets pregnant. Of course, the women on welfare who have 8 kids by 8 fathers certainly bear some blame, too, but I wouldn't dream of equating people like this with a single mother with one kid whose husband ran out on her, and still works to support herself and her child with no welfare support.

    What's the solution here? I really don't know; it's a societal problem. Holding dead-beat fathers responsible (this isn't the same as holding parents responsible; a man who leaves when his girlfriend gets pregnant isn't a "parent") would help, by forcing them to pay up. Put them in forced-labor camps to generate revenue to be given to the mothers, if necessary. Cut back welfare drastically, or require that welfare recipients undergo sterility operations or else give up state benefits (please save the eugenics cries). Forcibly remove more kids from obviously bad family situations (8 kids by 8 fathers, etc.) and place them in institutional care. Promote adoption of kids removed like this. There's lots of ideas, though I don't claim to have the "right" answer to a problem as complex as this. One-line quick-fixes aren't the answer.

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    Although it's not as common, I know some single fathers who are doing a great job raising their kids in some very tough circumstances. I think Dwolsten is right, that society doesn't celebrate single parent-hood in general, so much as praise it when it's successful, because all parents, single or not, have a tough task. On the other hand, there are quite a lot of single-parent families that are vastly superior to many two-parent families.
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    Now days our kids dont have any heros to look up to. some of these rappers permote violence through their music and their actions. The movies are no better. Lots of blood and heads rolling everywhere. Then there are the so called movie stars. who swap mates every two or three days. How can you expect kids to turn out ok when they try to copy people like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    So some of you don't like my solution where by society starts holding parents responsible for setting a good example and that society stops celebrating single parents.

    What is your solution to the gang culture or do you agree with Chris that it is unstoppable?
    If I had a solution it wouldn't be based on old 1950's TV show ideals and criticizing those who are unable to live by them. I find it hard to believe that you consider this a solution. I knew a lot of kids from perfectly assembled families who joined gangs because it fit with the rest of their lifestyle. These kids were doing drugs and commiting crimes to pay for the drugs long before they joined gangs. Eventually it was the next step for earning money and for adding some small level of safety on the streets.

    Bottomline is that I don't have a solution to gang violence if I did I would be busy putting it to work instead of sitting on the internet writing about what other people should do. This is America, our nation is fluid and constantly changing, The word never rarely comes to mind so I would imagine that some day things will be better.
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