Alberto Gonzales: Youth, Gang Violence Blamed for Countrywide Crime Spike

Alberto Gonzales: Youth, Gang Violence Blamed for Countrywide Crime Spike

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    Alberto Gonzales: Youth, Gang Violence Blamed for Countrywide Crime Spike

    This could become another front on the attack against the 2A, they mentioned that all encompasing "STRAW PURCHASE" specificaly. IMHO, sounds like a lot of good points, but then how much can we trust politicians when it comes to the 2A.

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    Alberto Gonzales: Youth, Gang Violence Blamed for Countrywide Crime Spike
    Tuesday , May 15, 2007



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    WASHINGTON —

    Increasing violence among teenagers and other youths throughout the United States appears to have contributed to a countrywide crime spike, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

    Gangs and gun violence are partly to blame for the rise in crime that is on pace to increase for the second straight year, says Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in a prepared speech.

    In response, the Justice Department is pledging to spend nearly $50 million this year to combat gangs and guns, and will push Congress to enact new laws to let the federal government better investigate and prosecute violent crime.

    FBI data from last fall show violent crimes, including murders and robberies, rose by 3.7 percent nationwide during the first six months of 2006. Those findings came on top of a 2.2 percent crime hike in 2005 — the first increase since 2001.

    Faced with the discouraging data, Gonzales last fall ordered a study of 18 cities and suburban regions to show why crime is surging.

    According to Gonzales' prepared remarks and a Justice Department fact sheet, obtained by The Associated Press, the study found:

    —That a growing number of offenders appear to be younger, and their crimes more violent, and that laws in some states provide few, if any, tough penalties on juvenile offenders.

    —Many youths have little parental oversight and are too easily influenced by gang membership and glamorized violence in popular culture.

    —Loosely organized gangs present the biggest concern for law enforcement officials because they are hard to investigate and their members often commit random acts of crime out of self-protection.

    —Offenses committed by people using firearms pose a major threat not only to communities, but also to police. So-called "straw purchases," where gun owners buy their firearms through a go-between is an area of concern.

    The Justice Department plans to distribute $18 million in grants nationwide this year to prevent and reduce illegal gun sales and other firearms crimes.

    Gonzales also will announce spending $31 million in new funds this year to combat gangs, according to the Justice Department fact sheet. The department also is working on a new crime bill to help federal authorities assist local and state police in cases involving juvenile crime.
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    Seems the straw purchases and thefts always get the headlines .......... but I wonder if it is remembered that (IMO) there are plenty of firearms that find their way into criminal hands, that come thru our ports. I believe at very least (as in Britain) ..... a considerable number of Eastern Block guns make it thru.

    The gang culture is unstoppable ..... but for sure has seen a resurgeance in recent years - in part maybe due to the growth of MS13. Those guys will aquire arms regardless of ''stricter control'' ....... the black market has always succeeded in matching the supply/demand equation, at a price.

    For gangsta's - the gun is a status symbol and is used for such trivial purposes as exacting revenge for something as simple as ''lack of respect''. I cannot see that changing much any time soon - they are already outside of the law and will remain so.
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    What do we expect when we show rap videos on MTV glamorizing this kind of activity?

    And people try to tell me that rap is a legitimate form of music...

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    I disagree, that the gang culture is unstoppable. If our leaders from the White House on down to grade school teachers would use their bully pulpit to condemn the actions that breeds the gang culture it would stop.

    I do not have any statistics to back it up but I would bet a big chunk of money that over 75% of gang members are from one parent families.

    When was the last time we heard any leader condemn single mothers as the wrong way to raise a child? They (politicians mostly) want to talk about how great of a job single mothers do, and yes some of them do but it is still the wrong way to raise a family. Not only that but if a single mother raises a great kid how great would that same kid have been with a loving mother and father in the house.

    For years people wanted to lam blast Leave It To Beaver and The Cosby's and say how that is not real life. Well it is what our society should strive for. Instead we get The Simpson's and Family Guy and Married With Children.

    The gang culture is not unstoppable, it just takes society getting back to basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwolsten View Post
    What do we expect when we show rap videos on MTV glamorizing this kind of activity?

    And people try to tell me that rap is a legitimate form of music...

    Amen brother!!!

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    The problem is Parents. People will blame their socio-economic enviroment, but it comes down to family values not being ingrained in today's youth. That is the responsibility of the the Parents. There will always be a few bad seeds.

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    TJ got it exactly right IMO.
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    Hey, Mr. Gonzales, I know of a well document case where a group of people conspired to make straw purchases.

    Too bad you lack the courage to go arrest Mr. Bloomberg for leading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
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    When was the last time we heard any leader condemn single mothers as the wrong way to raise a child? They (politicians mostly) want to talk about how great of a job single mothers do, and yes some of them do but it is still the wrong way to raise a family. Not only that but if a single mother raises a great kid how great would that same kid have been with a loving mother and father in the house.

    For years people wanted to lam blast Leave It To Beaver and The Cosby's and say how that is not real life. Well it is what our society should strive for. Instead we get The Simpson's and Family Guy and Married With Children.
    I hardly think that single mothers are the real issue here nor are The Simpsons. The thing about single moms is that nine times out of ten the men in their life left them or were never around in the first place. In days past these women would have been cursed at and spat on in the streets. I suppose that this energy should have been exerted on the men but their lack of courage to face the music made them innocent in the public's eye.

    I will be the first one to admit that children raised by two parents are healthier than thosed raised by one (scientific studies show this), however to take potshots at people who are doing the best they can would be assinine by any intelligent politician(or person). Most women or men who raise their children on their own do not do so by choice and for you to suggest that shows you are deeply out of touch with the country you claim to love. I find your comments ignorant and your ideas myopic and reprehensible.

    Can you show me studies where wealthy kids raised by single parents turn violent? I do not think a study exists. Such a study would prevent the results from being tainted by the increased violence among the poor which is how so many single parent families live. Meanwhile, money grubbing finger shakers thump their bibles and deal out the blame and the shame but do not bat an eye to help.

    The Simpsons, Family Guy, and Married with Children are all two parent families. None of these are intended for children to watch however. If the single parents that I know can keep their kids from watching these shows I would expect that all the two parent, God fearing, families you know could do the same.
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    Don't forget, there are a lot, and I mean a lot of single parents raising kids who are not single parents by choice. A ton of single parents are single because they are widows or widowers... I don't think they should be required to remarry if their heart is not into it just to have a two parent family.

    But I do think TJ makes a good point in the broad sense.

    And by the way.... I grew up knowing two sisters whose parents were Ward and June Cleaver clones. We used to kid them about it. Their mom actually wore dresses and pearl necklass and I'm talking about in the 1970's.

    They were great girls, hard working, did landscaping, went to church, went to college and had a 10 foot python for a pet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4my son View Post
    This could become another front on the attack against the 2A, they mentioned that all encompasing "STRAW PURCHASE" specificaly. IMHO, sounds like a lot of good points, but then how much can we trust politicians when it comes to the 2A.

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    Fix the education system, bring god back into schools, and get family values back on track.

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    Gangs try to do whatever is needed with under 18 year olds because they just get a slap on the wrist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by swedgin View Post
    I find your comments ignorant and your ideas myopic and reprehensible.
    I am truely sorry I hurt your feelings.
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    The majority of gang members joined a gang because it is the only "family" they know. That's the fault of the parent(s). I doubt that many come from two-parent homes ( a MAN and a Woman). Our AG cited gangs as a major cause, but I'll bet the illegals are equal in crime stats. Of course the illegals are a "sacred cow" to our govmt, so their crimes aren't counted. I don't know how to stop/reduce the gang problems except to let them continue to kill themselfs off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swedgin View Post
    I hardly think that single mothers are the real issue here nor are The Simpsons. The thing about single moms is that nine times out of ten the men in their life left them or were never around in the first place. In days past these women would have been cursed at and spat on in the streets. I suppose that this energy should have been exerted on the men but their lack of courage to face the music made them innocent in the public's eye.

    I will be the first one to admit that children raised by two parents are healthier than thosed raised by one (scientific studies show this), however to take potshots at people who are doing the best they can would be assinine by any intelligent politician(or person). Most women or men who raise their children on their own do not do so by choice and for you to suggest that shows you are deeply out of touch with the country you claim to love. I find your comments ignorant and your ideas myopic and reprehensible.
    As someone raised by a single mother, I agree completely. It wasn't exactly my father's intention to accidentally drown.

    Can you show me studies where wealthy kids raised by single parents turn violent? I do not think a study exists. Such a study would prevent the results from being tainted by the increased violence among the poor which is how so many single parent families live. Meanwhile, money grubbing finger shakers thump their bibles and deal out the blame and the shame but do not bat an eye to help.
    Exactly. What are all these Bible-thumpers doing to help, anyway? Nothing. They don't do anything to help lower-income people, they certainly don't ever adopt any children from those areas (heaven forbid they adopt a black baby!). Of course, any time a woman they know leaves her physically abusive husband who threatens to kill her, they spit on her and blame her for his abusiveness. They're a bunch of hypocrites, plain and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Don't forget, there are a lot, and I mean a lot of single parents raising kids who are not single parents by choice. A ton of single parents are single because they are widows or widowers... I don't think they should be required to remarry if their heart is not into it just to have a two parent family.
    Not only that, but all too common that a parent does remarry, and the new spouse abuses (physically or verbally) the kids, gives preferential treatment to their own children, etc. Step-mothers have a horrible reputation for good reason. I know people with terrible emotional problems because they were raised in one of these "wholesome" two-parent families. They would have been much better off with a missing parent. I don't have any studies to back this up, but I think that remarriage is generally a bad deal for kids.

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