May 20th, 2007 07:04 AM
Take it from a guy who has learned the value of what true friends are. These guys are not real friends. Real friends are extremely rare. They would never, ever, put you in a position like that. They would keep their mouth shut about you carrying and would never put you in a position to use it. They would also watch your back as you watched theirs. In my whole life I can count the number of true friends I've had on the fingers of one hand.....
I've had many people who liked to call me their friend but who, in my book, were merely aquaintences or fair weather companions.
If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.
May 20th, 2007 07:14 AM
This is exactly the sort of scenario that gets people locked up. If something develops from a conflict your companions initiated, then escalates into a lethal force encounter you could easily find yourself charged.
Originally Posted by L2TYPE
Because in that event, you might not be seen as the victim of a sudden, unexpected attack, but rather could be viewed as part of a voluntary conflict and escalation.
Depending on your local laws - and the proclivities of the DA - this could very well be the difference between a justified shooting and a prison term.
I think you are on the right path here, and hopefully your buddies will get it.
Originally Posted by L2TYPE
I'll leave you with the words passed down by my CWFL instructor at the end of class.
When carrying a firearm:
- Don't go to stupid places
- Don't do stupid things
- Don't hang out with stupid people
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
May 20th, 2007 07:25 AM
These are not friends. Friends do not put your life in danger. If you've told them to cut it out and they won't, walk away. They were never your friends in the first place.
Concealed carry means concealed. No-one should know.
'The assailant chooses the time, location and method of attack.
Since they are unlikely to let you know ahead of time when, where and how violent they're going to be, you should always be prepared.' - matiki
May 20th, 2007 09:49 AM
If their mouth gets them into trouble, let their body get them out of trouble! And tell them so.. If they don't understand, get smarter friends. Your 8 year friendship could get you killed, or in jail for much longer then 8 years!
Take care of number one (you), NO one else will.
May 20th, 2007 10:24 AM
Well, it sounds like you need to have a long talk with your parents too. Make it a point to tell them just how much trouble they've caused you as well as the potential liability. In other words ... it's none of their business or anyone else's when or if you're carrying and you need to make sure they understand that in the strongest possible terms.
Originally Posted by L2TYPE
May 20th, 2007 10:45 AM
It sounds like you've taken my first step, explaining the error of their ways in private. I'd make sure that they understood that carrying often means you have to swallow your pride and walk away, and that's what you'll do next time if they start stuff.
If it does happen again, say something like "You're on your own, I'll be back in a few minutes". Say it loud enough so whoever they are mouthing off to can hear, then go to the john or something.
May 20th, 2007 11:05 AM
Disregarding the question of friends, or even of carrying, I see a possibly more fundamental problem in the situation described in the original post.
I have always made it a point to avoid places where confrontations are likely, and to leave such places if I think such a situation is suddenly likely.
Last edited by Anubis; May 20th, 2007 at 11:19 AM.
May 20th, 2007 11:55 AM
After re-reading his original post and his only comment on it, I wonder if this guy is just trolling???
May 20th, 2007 01:22 PM
Most friends don't know I carry (again, that's why it's called conceal carry) and the ones who bump their gums like the one in the original post fell off the friends list long ago. (They'd probably get you into trouble whether you carried or not.)
John 15:13 - Greater love have no man, than he who is willing to lay down his life for a friend. (Let's just pray we BOTH come out alive)
If the guns kill then pencils misspell words!
May 20th, 2007 02:10 PM
Either way, the discussion has created a good list of reasons for why concealed means concealed, and the risks of "friends" who would put their own in harms way to suit their own fanciful notion of their compatriots' invincibility. Thinking such things through is a good thing, no matter how it starts.
Originally Posted by Realleycat
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
May 20th, 2007 02:33 PM
If you stare into the abyss long enough......
Originally Posted by ExSoldier
May 20th, 2007 02:57 PM
May 20th, 2007 03:15 PM
Extremely well put.
Originally Posted by ELCruisr
You should seriously reconsider why you are calling these fools (sorry, but it is true) your friends. Their idiotic and reckless behavior is putting all of your safeties in danger.
A few select people know that I have a CCW, but I never tell anyone that I am carrying while out with them, not even to my good friends. And they have enough tact and sense not to ask if I am carrying or not. The issue is just not discussed. They know I "might" be carrying but thus far none have interrogated me on whether or not I'm carrying for real, and I don't volunteer the info. If I was asked about it by a very close friend I'd probably just say something non-committal like "maybe, or maybe not", or I'd outright lie and say "no"; I'd certainly say "no" if anybody other than a very close friend asked. If I'm carrying concealed is nobody's business but my own, the way I see it.
oops looks like I posted before reading the last update...errr nevermind!
May 20th, 2007 05:33 PM
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
May 20th, 2007 05:43 PM
The very first time that it happened I would walk out of the room and ignore the cellphone calls from those guys for a day or two.
Then when I had cooled down I would explain that I don't behave like an idiot so it's difficult for me to be represented as one.
If anyone gets their feelings hurt then it is their problem.
Friends change as we all grow up, sometimes we grow closer, sometimes we grow apart. In this case I would encourage them to grow up or forget that I exist.
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