OH - HB 225 for Sweeping and Necessary CCW Reform

OH - HB 225 for Sweeping and Necessary CCW Reform

This is a discussion on OH - HB 225 for Sweeping and Necessary CCW Reform within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Ohio House Bill 225 has been introduced in the Legislature. This bill will bring sweeping and necessary changes to Ohio's concealed carry laws. We have ...

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    OH - HB 225 for Sweeping and Necessary CCW Reform

    Ohio House Bill 225 has been introduced in the Legislature. This bill will bring sweeping and necessary changes to Ohio's concealed carry laws. We have gained a lot of ground in the short time since HB12 was passed in 2004, but more work remains.

    Ohioans For Concealed Carry will bring you all updates to the progress of this bill as they develop.

    Points in HB 225 include:

    --Authorization of a person to carry a concealed handgun without obtaining a license to the same extent as if the person had obtained such a license if the person qualifies for a concealed carry license and is legally permitted to purchase a handgun.

    --Removal of the requirement to inform approaching law enforcement officers that the person has a license and is carrying the handgun when the person is carrying a concealed handgun.

    --Removal of the prohibition of carrying a concealed handgun at all institutions of higher learning (public and private), places of worship, day-care centers and homes, and government buildings other than schools, courthouses, law enforcement offices, and correctional facilities.

    --Removal of the "in plain sight or secure encasement" criterion that a concealed carry licensee must satisfy to legally possess a handgun in a motor vehicle for an unlocked container/case. This would pretty much let you carry however you want.

    --Repeal of the "journalist exception" to the provision that otherwise makes confidential the records a sheriff possesses regarding concealed handgun licenses and applications for such licenses.
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    this is going to be great. thanks for keeping us updated
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    Wow... you weren't kidding when you said it was sweeping. It will be years before Kansas attempts any such legislation!
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    Good luck!! It was difficult to even get concealed carry passed in Kansas!! Steve48

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    Wow, that is pretty good. The only thing I don't see there that I still want is to be able to carry into a restaurant that serves alcohol.

    I'll have to keep an eye on that bill, and of course call my reps.
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    From your summary, I agree with points 2, 3 and 5. I thought they did a way with the plain sight issue in the law that went into effect in March? Or is this dealing with carrying a gun when not on your person? If I understand point 1 correctly it's saying that you can carry without a license if you are a normal Joe that would meet the criteria? That would be cool but I don't know that it will pass. NH or VT (cant' remember which) and Alaska are like that but I don't see it happening here in Ohio. The cities like Cleveland and Columbus would have a spaz fit if they tried to pass that.

    I seem to recall that Adams is my rep, I'll have to check and write a letter either way.

    Thanks for the post.

    Edit- agree with Buckeye that being able to carry in a restaurant even if they serve alcohol (and you don't drink of course) should be on that list too.
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    Tony, off the body carry in a vehicle is in a closed container that has to be in plain sight, like if a loaded firearm is in a purse the purse can't be hidden. That is why there is still plain sight.

    The first point is kind of confusing, and would probably be the most contested part of the bill that I see. But I read it the same as you, anyone who can have a firearm and meets criteria can carry. Don't know if that means they need training, or just to have a firearm.
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    Thanks Buckeye, that's kind of what I thought on the car carry. Just wasn't sure. I really hope they get rid of that restaurant thing, it's a pain. Not that I eat out much I guess.
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    You guys are right that this will certainly be a fight to get through. It's not time to talk compromising yet, we need to contact our reps and let them know why we need this bill.

    However, politics is a game and it's an unfortunate fact that sometimes it's best to shoot for the moon and compromise later on an altered version of this bill that still has a few steps forward for us but may not include Alaska/Vermont carry.

    Oh, and just to try and help clear up any confusion, if the handgun is in an unlocked, closed container, it has to be in plain sight. If the container is locked, then it can be under the seat or wherever. This bill appears to take out "plain sight" and "container" so that you can pretty much carry any way you want... say in a mounted holster. (IANAL.)
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    What confuses me is that our state is willing to tell people that it is not legal to smoke in your own business but you cannot CCW in a bar?
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    This would be a great win for us Ohioans, but I see a straight UPhill battle on some of it. But, like already stated, shoot for the moon and compromise later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapout1003 View Post
    What confuses me is that our state is willing to tell people that it is not legal to smoke in your own business but you cannot CCW in a bar?
    I don't really have a problem with no CCW in a bar, but I would like to see something like the 51% rule where carry in restaurants and stuff is allowed.

    Besides our state is so screwed up that the politicians have spent the last several weeks deciding that we can't touch the strippers, a comprimise instead of that 6 foot rule.
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    We need to get rid of the prohibition of CCW in places that sell liquor for on premise consumtpion. You are not supposed to drink when carrying. Period. Who cares what others around you are doing?

    Why is this issue not part of this reform bill?????

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    That's what i meant by bars. I thought you couldn't ever touch the strippers ?
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    I don't know how this will shape politicaly. The CCW reform last year (winter '06) was vetoed by the outgoing govenor, but got the constitutionally required 3/5ths for the veto overide. Gov. Strickland is a pretty pro-gun rights and CCW politician, based on his record. The Atty General even seems to favor it. Parts of it, like Vermont style carry probaly won't go far in commitee, but could open up the floor for compromise. backroom of Statehouse: "OK we drop vermont carry, but allow carry in 51% establishments".

    If anything, we can take a page from the stripper bill and take the bully pulpit. If anyone of the higher ups from OhioCCW or Buckeye read this a good tactic would be to have an intiative bill written up with the same language and start collecting signatures. One of the main arguments to pass the stripper bill was that Buress and his group had the sigs to put the issue on the ballot in November and could lead to another smoking ban instance of ballot confusion. The legislature doesn't trust the public and would rather pass the bill through the "proper" channels.
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