And yet, CHL cards are already numbered, controlled and issued by each state. A "badge" isn't sufficiently different in nature that it would guard against negligent shootings where CHL's fail to do so; guard against mistaken identity at the time of inbound LEO's arriving and assessing the situation; guard against forgery by criminals to any degree beyond what's done now.Quote:
I would consider wearing a badge if they were numbered controlled and mandadiated Federally.
from my understanding even out of uniform police are disarmed and detained untill their status and the situation can be verified.
I would say that Mr. An made a few mistakes, the first was having that much cash in the register, second was chasing them out of the store and shooting up the neighborhood. the final nail in the coffin was pour muzzle control. Most likely he finally heard the police and turned around to see them, and as many inexperienced untrained citizens do, the gun pointing the way he was facing instead of in a safe direction. Its not that uncommon to see people do this at ranges (and rather unnerving when it happens)
if he had been trained a little better he probably wouldn't have missed as much either.
Ill just revisit the thread once , and that is to state that i have been on both ends of this call . When i was the LE in question i promptly laid my gun on the ground and proned out . As a responding officer the only folks who i allow to stand are the folks i know personally ( proper uniforms excepted ) . You can have a neon sign strapped to your rear stating i am a cop with your cert number scrolling and i dont care . Your still going to lay down while we sort this out . Oh and the fella who comes over and puts cuffs on you may be a citizen , but he is one i know and trust you are not such a person and i can buy a badge online , ill sort out your hurt feelings later as well as giving offical thanks as needed on letterhead . For the call tho all a " badge " will get you is shot unless the responding officers know you . When the officers arrive promptly do what they say , you cant talk to them now anyway , and the sooner you comply the sooner you can give them info if you soo chose . The badge dont make you a good guy , the ccw permit dont make you a good guy , when the response arrives everyone who might have a weapon is a bad guy untill proven different . You dont like that well that is just tough , bucause the officers plan on going home every night too . Get rid of the gun , if you have not allready laid it down near well then just listen to the officers , they will explain how to do it in likely non pc language . Do exactly what they say or not ( not is at your own pearl ) . The officers involved dont want to be there in the first place , but one thing is sure . The paperwork involved in just shooting you out weighs the other options avalable ( i wont go home tonight ) . Just think about it a sec and you will either agree or disagree , but you will see that ccw badges , ccw this , ccw that really wont work in the scheme of LE response .
Folks that feel the need for a badge or some other visual recognition should join the police dept or the military. Sorry if that hurts the feelings of some of the gunshop commandos that frequent internet forums.
Concealed is just that. Always carry... never tell.
I'm not interested in anything, badge, id holder, whatever which advertises the fact that I am carrying a firearm. I have a license to carry a concealed firearm. Concealed means concealed.
Bah, the badges / holders are too subtle.
I use this:
The great thing here is that you can leave the ID panels exposed for those times when you want to OC but can't because your state doesn't allow it.
(that was a joke, BTW)
And I thought those little badges were bad. Jebus.
There is no alternative - I don't require one, so I have no use for anything to notify the general populous that I'm armed.
The pouch in the Op is no good for me since I don't have a Tennessee permit.