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    Ohio Transport

    I have a Georgia CCL but it is not valid in Ohio. I know the law pretty well about transporting a firearm without a CCL but I want to have it printed out with me for the trip. Can somebody point me towards the Ohio law?

    I do have one question though about transport: I know the firearm has to be unloaded. Does the ammo have to be in a different container/lock box from the firearm or can it be stored with the firearm?

    Sixto or any other Ohio member's inputs would be appreciated.
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    this is off the attorney general of ohio web site If I have a (CCW) license and I encounter a place where weapons are prohibited by law, such as a business with a posted sign or a government building, what can I do with my handgun? Its best to secure a handgun out of sight, in your vehicle. If you have a permit and intend to leave your gun in your car, you must store it in a locked glove compartment or locked gun case that is in plain sight (R.C. 2923.16.). It is also instructional to refer back to the current law on transporting a weapon in a car (even if you do not have a concealed carry license). Under current law (R.C. 2923.12.), the gun must be unloaded and stored in either: A compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle such as a trunk or lockbox; In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. Always remember to use extreme caution when unloading your gun.

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    So long as either ammo and/or firearm are inaccessible to you while driving, you are GTG.

    Some state courts have construed that loaded magazines, even if outside of the weapon, become a loaded firearm if they are accessible to you.

    Put everything in the trunk. If you have no trunk, lock the ammo, the gun, or both up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan View Post
    So long as either ammo and/or firearm are inaccessible to you while driving, you are GTG……..
    I have to fervently disagree with that statement. If you follow that advice in Ohio, you will find yourself in front of an arraignment judge facing felony charges. If the firearm itself (even if it is unloaded and has no mag) is accessible to you while you are driving, you are in deep doo-doo.

    Unload all mags. Lock the firearm, and unloaded mags in the trunk. If you drive a vehicle that has no trunk, such as a SUV or hatchback, put the firearm and unloaded mags in a lockbox as far to the rear of the vehicle as possible.

    Put the ammo in the glove box. If a glove box is not available……make sure the ammo is kept towards the front of the main passenger compartment. No loaded mags in passenger compartment, or anywhere else for that matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan View Post
    …..Put everything in the trunk…….
    I disagree again. The firearm and the ammo MUST be in separate compartments of the vehicle. They must be kept separate. There is an exception to this if you are driving a standard cab pickup truck. If that is the case, send me a PM for details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnisaly View Post
    The firearm and the ammo MUST be in separate compartments of the vehicle. They must be kept separate. There is an exception to this if you are driving a standard cab pickup truck. If that is the case, send me a PM for details.


    I am in an SUV. I have a lock box that I have built for the unloaded firearms and magazines which will be stored in the rear cargo area. I need to know how to store the ammo to make sure that everything is legal.

    Sixto or other Ohio LEO's please chime in on this. I want to be sure that I follow everything to the letter of the law including ammo.

    I have made this trip a million times. I just need to get a FLA non-res so I don't have to deal with this hassle. I have always stored the ammo separate from the firearms in the lock box. I always locked the ammo in my luggage.
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    I think its ridiculous that we have to go through all of this trouble just to travel through a different state. :/

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    Here ya go...

    2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.
    (A) No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.

    (B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.

    (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:

    (1) In a closed package, box, or case;

    (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;

    (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;

    (4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.


    (D) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, any of the following applies:

    (1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a combination of them.

    (2) The person’s whole blood, blood serum or plasma, breath, or urine contains a concentration of alcohol prohibited for persons operating a vehicle, as specified in division (A) of section 4511.19 of the Revised Code, regardless of whether the person at the time of the transportation or possession as described in this division is the operator of or a passenger in the motor vehicle.

    (E) No person who has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following:

    (1) Knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle unless one of the following applies:

    (a) The loaded handgun is in a holster on the person’s person .

    (b) The loaded handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun.

    (c) The loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed, locked glove compartment or in a case that is locked.

    (2) If the person is transporting or has a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle in a manner authorized under division (E)(1) of this section, knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, case, bag, box, container, or glove compartment, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers while the motor vehicle is being operated on a street, highway, or public property unless the person removes, attempts to remove, grasps, holds, or has the contact with the loaded handgun pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by a law enforcement officer;

    (3) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose or is the driver or an occupant of a commercial motor vehicle that is stopped by an employee of the motor carrier enforcement unit for the purposes defined in section 5503.34 of the Revised Code, and if the person is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle or commercial motor vehicle in any manner, fail to do any of the following that is applicable:

    (a) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose, fail to promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the person has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the person then possesses or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle;

    (b) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a commercial motor vehicle stopped by an employee of the motor carrier enforcement unit for any of the defined purposes, fail to promptly inform the employee of the unit who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the person has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the person then possesses or has a loaded handgun in the commercial motor vehicle.

    (4) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose and if the person is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle in any manner, knowingly fail to remain in the motor vehicle while stopped or knowingly fail to keep the person’s hands in plain sight at any time after any law enforcement officer begins approaching the person while stopped and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the failure is pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by a law enforcement officer;

    (5) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose, if the person is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle in a manner authorized under division (E)(1) of this section, and if the person is approached by any law enforcement officer while stopped, knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, case, bag, box, container, or glove compartment, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers in the motor vehicle at any time after the law enforcement officer begins approaching and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the person removes, attempts to remove, grasps, holds, or has contact with the loaded handgun pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by the law enforcement officer;

    (6) If the person is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose and if the person is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle in any manner, knowingly disregard or fail to comply with any lawful order of any law enforcement officer given while the motor vehicle is stopped, including, but not limited to, a specific order to the person to keep the person’s hands in plain sight.

    (F)(1) Divisions (A), (B), (C), and (E) of this section do not apply to any of the following:

    (a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or a law enforcement officer, when authorized to carry or have loaded or accessible firearms in motor vehicles and acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties;

    (b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry or have loaded or accessible firearms in motor vehicles, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (F)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person.

    (2) Division (A) of this section does not apply to a person if all of the following circumstances apply:

    (a) The person discharges a firearm from a motor vehicle at a coyote or groundhog, the discharge is not during the deer gun hunting season as set by the chief of the division of wildlife of the department of natural resources, and the discharge at the coyote or groundhog, but for the operation of this section, is lawful.

    (b) The motor vehicle from which the person discharges the firearm is on real property that is located in an unincorporated area of a township and that either is zoned for agriculture or is used for agriculture.

    (c) The person owns the real property described in division (F)(2)(b) of this section, is the spouse or a child of another person who owns that real property, is a tenant of another person who owns that real property, or is the spouse or a child of a tenant of another person who owns that real property.

    (d) The person does not discharge the firearm in any of the following manners:

    (i) While under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or alcohol and a drug of abuse;

    (ii) In the direction of a street, highway, or other public or private property used by the public for vehicular traffic or parking;

    (iii) At or into an occupied structure that is a permanent or temporary habitation;

    (iv) In the commission of any violation of law, including, but not limited to, a felony that includes, as an essential element, purposely or knowingly causing or attempting to cause the death of or physical harm to another and that was committed by discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle.

    (3) Divisions (B) and (C) of this section do not apply to a person if all of the following circumstances apply:

    (a) At the time of the alleged violation of either of those divisions, the person is the operator of or a passenger in a motor vehicle.

    (b) The motor vehicle is on real property that is located in an unincorporated area of a township and that either is zoned for agriculture or is used for agriculture.

    (c) The person owns the real property described in division (D)(3)(b) of this section, is the spouse or a child of another person who owns that real property, is a tenant of another person who owns that real property, or is the spouse or a child of a tenant of another person who owns that real property.

    (d) The person, prior to arriving at the real property described in division (D)(3)(b) of this section, did not transport or possess a firearm in the motor vehicle in a manner prohibited by division (B) or (C) of this section while the motor vehicle was being operated on a street, highway, or other public or private property used by the public for vehicular traffic or parking.

    (4) Divisions (B) and (C) of this section do not apply to a person who transports or possesses a handgun in a motor vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, all of the following apply:

    (a) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code.

    (b) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

    (c) One of the following applies:

    (i) The handgun is in a holster on the person’s person .

    (ii) The handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun.

    (iii) The handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed, locked glove compartment or in a case that is locked.

    (G)(1) The affirmative defenses authorized in divisions (D)(1)and (2) of section 2923.12 of the Revised Code are affirmative defenses to a charge under division (B) or (C) of this section that involves a firearm other than a handgun.

    (2) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (B) or (C) of this section of improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle that the actor transported or had the firearm in the motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and while the motor vehicle was on the actor’s own property, provided that this affirmative defense is not available unless the person, prior to arriving at the actor’s own property, did not transport or possess the firearm in a motor vehicle in a manner prohibited by division (B) or (C) of this section while the motor vehicle was being operated on a street, highway, or other public or private property used by the public for vehicular traffic.

    (H) No person who is charged with a violation of division (B), (C), or (D) of this section shall be required to obtain a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code as a condition for the dismissal of the charge.

    (I) Whoever violates this section is guilty of improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. Violation of division (A) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. A violation of division (D) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree or, if the loaded handgun is concealed on the person’s person, a felony of the fourth degree. A violation of division (E)(3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree, and, in addition to any other penalty or sanction imposed for the violation, the offender’s license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun shall be suspended pursuant to division (A)(2) of section 2923.128 of the Revised Code. A violation of division (E)(1), (2), or (5) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree. A violation of division (E)(4) or (6) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (E)(4) or (6) of this section, a felony of the fifth degree. In addition to any other penalty or sanction imposed for a misdemeanor violation of division (E)(4) or (6) of this section, the offender’s license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun shall be suspended pursuant to division (A)(2) of section 2923.128 of the Revised Code. A violation of division (B) of this section is whichever of the following is applicable:

    (1) If, at the time of the transportation or possession in violation of division (B) of this section, the offender was carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the offender under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code and the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code, the violation is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (B) of this section, a felony of the fourth degree.

    (2) If division (I)(1) of this section does not apply, a felony of the fourth degree.

    (J) If a law enforcement officer stops a motor vehicle for a traffic stop or any other purpose, if any person in the motor vehicle surrenders a firearm to the officer, either voluntarily or pursuant to a request or demand of the officer, and if the officer does not charge the person with a violation of this section or arrest the person for any offense, the person is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm, and the firearm is not contraband, the officer shall return the firearm to the person at the termination of the stop.



    Here it is all layed out for you. I put the part that answers your question in bold, and included the rest for the debate that is sure to follow by the street side lawyers.
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    So I am guessing that since there is no specific mention about where to store the ammo in relation to the firearm means that I am ok by just locking it up in a suitcase separate from the lockbox.

    Now to stir the pot a little more. Would I need to inform a LEO that I am transporting an unloaded firearm encased in a lockbox in the rear cargo compartment of my SUV?
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    You can keep the ammo in your pockets if you wanted to, as long as the gun is stored proper.

    As for telling the LEO... the ORC says if you posses a loaded firearm you must tell... would I role the dice on wording? No. I would go ahead and inform, but the way it reads you dont need to.

    OSP is big on the CCW holders informing that they are carrying, they will jam you up on that if they catch you not informing. I would want to keep it simple, quick and easy and not be the one who takes this issue to court.
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    Thanks guys. I knew that I was legal, but I just wanted to make sure. I will be making the long 11 hour haul to NE Ohio on Thursday. On Sunday the wife and I are driving to Gettysburg for a couple of days. Looks like I can carry in PA.
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    :) I just got back from Gettysburg yesterday. Its a pretty massive battlefield.

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    Well, looks like I am late to this one, and SIXTO has it covered.

    For reference though, I have driven several times from Cincinnati to Columbus with a rifle and shotgun in a gun rack, actions open, and just threw the ammo in the tool box, had a couple of cops follow me for a mile or two, and got some weird looks around the city, but its legal to do.
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