This is a discussion on Alcohol and CCW within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SelfDefense I never intended my primary point to be a whether to carry while under the influence (whatever that may mean morally ...
A few years back we had some BGs who liked to hold up ABC lounges.The more people in the bar the better they would line every one up and rob them all. thats one reason I stay out of bars
I don't drink and drive and I don't drink and carry. Period.
And, in fact, I do not drink when out in public, period. The rare occasions I do drink, it is at home and just a beer or a very weak mixed drink.
I don't drink at all. In Kansas, you can go into a restaurant WITH a bar, so long as the primary business of the establishment is food. So if the guys want to go to Applebees, we're good to go... still, I won't sit AT the bar while carrying.
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You have to decide what works for you, but would it be worth it to have that one drink or be carrying in a bar, have something go wrong - remember Murphys Law - and have your gun taken by the police... as well as your permit?
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I know this is my first post, but are you guys reading the question? He's not asking anything about drinking and carrying.
Now, in reference to the OP, I encounter this situation often as well. If I'm driving, I just secure my pistol and head on in for the fun. As a young person, staying away from bars or places that serve alcohol is probably not an option if you wish to have a social life. Even if you don't drink, many of your friends more than likely will. You can choose to abandon your friends, but unless you can find other CCW's or non-drinkers (very difficult), you'll probably need to adjust and accept some degree of risk (being unarmed).
As far as I'm concerned, taverns, whether they be local haunts or some of the more fancy upholstered sewers, do not mix with guns.
But then - a usual, I'm prejudiced in that I hate taverns of any kind. I don't like being around drunks. People change after they've had a drink or two. Matter of fact, It's not really a change, it's their real selves coming out.
One allowance I'll make for leaving a gun in car if it is absolutely necessary - get one of those metal gun boxes that bolts to the car's floor and has a combination lock on it.
There is NO other method for keeping a gun in a car that I excuse. People who get their guns stolen from their auto should lose their ccw permit permanently.
Remember that rat-face Sean Penn and his episode with a gun. Because he is a "celebrity" is one of the privileged few to have a ccw permit in Kalifornia. He left his gun in his car when going into a restaurant. It was stolen while he ate.
If you can afford a gun, you can afford a proper method of storage if it absolutely MUST for some reason be left in a car.
In the advent of the PT380 and some of the NAA revolvers and pistols, there is NO excuse in my mind to go unarmed at work - unless carrying where you work will get you thrown into jail.
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The article I read on the matter forgot to mention that little fact.
Again, it points to why guns shouldn't be left in cars.
One of the worst moments of anyone's life would be the cop's paying them a visit and telling them that a couple of 16 year-old workers in a fast food place were killed with your 'missing' gun.
I simply cannot accept reasons for leaving a gun in a car.
As for no reason to store in a vehicle well, I have a lot of reasons. If I am discovered carrying a gun where I work I am terminated. Depending on the client site I'm working at I could end up in federal prison. The former is not something I want, and the latter is something I'd rather not contemplate. You can say get a new job, but it isn't that simple. I thoroughly enjoy what I do and I am very well compensated.
Given that I sometimes drive anywhere from a few hundred to over a thousand miles to reach my office or client site I would prefer to bring my gun with me for the trip. There are sometimes circumstances beyond my control that dictate that I must leave my gun in the vehicle. It is something that happens whether or not I want it to or not. It's nice for you to be in a position where you cannot accept it. Someday I'll be there as well I hope (retirement).
To address the OP.
In Virginia there is no statutory limit for Drunk In Public (DIP). Were you to be seen drinking in an establishment while carrying (in VA you would need to open carry to be legal), I would guess that a LEO would simply arrest you for DIP and then add on a carrying while intoxicated charge. So I will open carry in places where adult beverages are served, but I will not imbibe. If I choose to imbibe then I will disarm. Just how it is to be a responsible armed citizen.
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It has raised an interesting issue regarding the storage of the CCW in the car. But another issue is if it is concealed and your friends are unaware you carry then how do you secure the weapon without revealing you carry.