Jessie was at it again this past Saturday

Jessie was at it again this past Saturday

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    Jessie was at it again this past Saturday

    Jessie was at it again last Saturday

    After attending the funeral of 16-year-old Blair Holt, an Chicago honor student who was recently killed on a city bus, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said he had enough.

    This afternoon, Jackson, along with the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, plan to target a Riverdale store for a gun violence protest.

    The protesters, who plan to meet at Julian High School in Riverdale, will march to Chuck's Gun Shop and continue on to other stores nearby.

    Though the protest was developed by gun control supporters, it may be met with a counter protest.

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    For those who like myself are completely unfamiliar with this case below is some insightful reading toward this community tragedy...

    As reported by CBS2Chicago

    May 11, 2007 10:25 pm US/Central
    Family Mourns Teen Hero Killed In CTA Bus Shooting
    South Side Students On Edge After Shooting Near Percy Julian High School

    CBS) CHICAGO The search continued Friday night for the gunman in a deadly bus shooting on Chicago’s South Side Thursday.

    And as CBS 2’s Dana Kozlov reports, Friday night family members were remembering the young victim who lost his life.

    Chicago Fire Department Captain Annette Nance-Holt struggles to speak for a moment. Her pain is unmistakable.

    "I'm so proud of my baby. I would do anything to get him back, though,” Nance-Holt said. “I wish it was me. I wish it was me.”

    “I really don't know how I’m going to get through this, I really don't,” she said.

    Nance-Holt's only child, 16-year-old Blair Holt, was killed on a CTA bus Thursday afternoon after a teenage gunman got on and opened fire, hitting five people. Holt was on his way home from Julian High School.

    Victim Tiara Reed's father says Holt was shot point blank after he pushed Tiara out of the way.

    Nance-Holt says her son's heroism doesn't surprise her.

    "This is the story about a young black man who had a promising future ahead for himself and who could change the world, who could change a lot of things and who people looked up to,” she said.

    Holt's father is a Chicago police officer. Police Superintendent Phil Cline says his officers are doing all they can to find the 16-year-old’s shooter. Police have surveillance video from the bus, and they believe they know who the shooter is. Sources tell CBS 2 he is a former student from Julian who was expelled last fall.

    "We know who he his, we have our fugitive unit lookin' for him, Area 2 detectives are looking for him and the attack and gang teams out there all know about him,” Cline said.

    Nance-Holt says when caught, the shooter should be charged as an adult.

    "For the 16 years that I had him, he was a joy, a blessing,” she said.

    According to paramedics, while Blair Holt was on his way to the hospital he asked them to tell his parents he loved them.

    Other students at Julian High School remained shaken Friday.

    As CBS 2's Mai Martinez reports, at least four of the teen victims were students at Percy L. Julian High School, at 10330 S. Elizabeth St.

    Police are looking into the possibility that the shooting may have been gang-related, and because of concerns about retaliation, patrols were stepped up at Julian High and at Corliss High School, at 821 E. 103rd St. They continue to look for the gunman who opened fire on the bus.

    The shootings happened on Thursday afternoon when the gunman boarded the bus at 103rd and Halsted streets. He opened fire on passengers aboard as the bus traveled east on 103rd Street.

    When the bus driver pulled over the bus at 103rd Street and Lowe Avenue, the gunman fled on foot. It was only about 3 1/2 blocks east of where the gunman got on.

    As CBS 2’s Dorothy Tucker reports, only half the kids at Percy Julian showed up for school Friday. Those who did and took the bus home were personally escorted by cops on board, and more trailing behind.

    “We want the students to know that the police are there, that we're trying to make the bus safe for them,” said Michael Trepelas of the Chicago Police Department.

    Parents arriving at Julian Friday morning were met by a strong police presence as officers from both the district police patrol and the police Transit Detail patrolled the area. After hearing what happened to their classmates, many students were nervous about returning to school for fear of retaliation.

    "Somebody else could get shot," a female student said. "You don't know who it's going to be."

    "I was scared it might happen again this morning," a male student said.

    Parents did their best to ease their children's fears, but at the same time had some concerns of their own.

    "I felt a little bit safer, and that was what I was trying to explain to her today – that more security would be here today, so she would probably be a lot safer here today," said parent Regina Kitchens.

    Another parent said police should have taken action sooner.

    "My concern is if the police knew that all this activity was going on, why did they wait until after the shooting to step up the patrols?" said Lawrence Bosley. "I mean, if they knew all of this was going on, they should've been out here long ago, and when it's over, how long are they going to be here?"

    Hurt and anger were the emotions many students were feeling Friday. They weren’t alone.

    “I'm furious, I’m hurt,” said Chicago Public Schools CEO Arne Duncan. “This is a school bus. Kids were on this bus. For children to have to deal with this is staggering.”

    Duncan acknowledges that the police escorts won't last long. Students also know that, and they admit when the police are gone, their fear of riding the bus will return.

    “I don't feel comfortable. It makes me scared,” said Bronyen Riley Palmer. “If they don't put the person in jail it's gonna happen again.”

    “Me, I have no choice. That's my transportation to get home,” one student said. “People at my house work and they use their cars for work.”

    Many students seemed grateful for the added police presence.

    "It makes me feel a lot safer because if someone tries to get in school, they'll most likely get caught before they make it past the door," the male student said.

    Several of the shooting victims left Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn late Thursday after being treated for non-life-threatening wounds.

    The school board is offering a $10,000 reward for any information that leads police to the killer.

    In the meantime, grief counselors and social workers are at Julian High, helping students cope with the tragedy.

    CBS 2's Mai Martinez, Rafael Romo, Dorothy Tucker and Dana Kozlov contributed to this report.

    The story can be found at;
    As featured at the Chicago Sun-Times:

    War among blacks is too easy to ignore
    Stop the killing -- before we lose yet another young life

    May 15, 2007
    BY MARY MITCHELL Sun-Times Columnist
    What are we to do now? That question nagged me every time I thought about the family of Blair Holt. Blair was the 16-year-old Julian High School junior who was killed Thursday when a 16-year-old gang member opened fire on a 103rd Street CTA bus.

    Michael "Mario" Pace, an alleged gang member, has been charged with one count of murder and five counts of attempted murder. Kevin Jones, 15, who allegedly gave Pace the gun, faces the same charges.

    How in the hell does a 15-year-old boy get his hands on a gun?

    As is usually the case, the intended target of Pace's hatred -- which was apparently driven by an ongoing rivalry with another gang member over a girl -- walked away without a scratch.

    But Blair, an honor student, was shot when he used his body to shield a girl from the gunfire. He died during surgery. Four other teens were wounded in the armed attack.

    Even those of us who do not know the Holt family have wept over this tragedy.

    Ronald Holt is a Chicago Police gang-crimes officer. Annette Holt is a captain with the Chicago Fire Department. If there is one couple who would have taken steps to protect their only son from the dangers in the street, it had to be this one.

    Still, despite teaching their son right from wrong, despite nurturing his dreams, educating him, and undergirding him with moral values, they could not shield him from someone else's son who had no dreams.

    That's the sad reality of what's going on in too many black neighborhoods.

    No matter what your profession or where you live, if you are an African-American parent of a male child, you cannot shake the dreadful feeling that what happened to the Holt family could happen to you. We are grieved by the thought that maybe the only way to keep our children safe is to never let them out of our sight.

    There is never a reasonable explanation for senseless violence. Certainly, the families of the victims who were killed by a mentally deranged student at Virginia Tech last month felt a similar frustration.

    Still, those parents could take some comfort in knowing that the shooter was a sick young man who should not have been allowed on the campus in the first place. Many of these parents have turned their sorrow into activism and are demanding changes at the university, as well as in our gun and privacy laws.

    What are we going to do now?

    Blair's murder is not an isolated case. According to a recent report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the black murder rate fuels the nation's murder surge, and homicide is the leading cause of death among black males ages 16 to 34. Yet, only about a third of the homicides are solved. So, why wouldn't thugs and gang-bangers believe they can get away with murder?

    In a column written this year about the black homicide rate, Earl Ofari Hutchinson, the dean of black analysts and social commentators, blamed the carnage in part on the "accessibility of drugs and guns, and the influence of misogynist, violence-laced rap songs."

    These conditions "also reinforce the deep feeling among many youth that life is cheap and easy to take, and there will be minimal consequences for their action as long as their victims are other young blacks," Hutchinson wrote.

    'They're just children'
    Blair's final act of heroism stands in stark contrast to Pace's alleged wanton act of terrorism, and it is the clearest evidence yet that there is a war going on in the African-American community.

    This is a class conflict that pits brothers against brothers and neighbors against neighbors; and because the enemy looks likes us, walks like us and talks like us, it is easy to ignore the battle lines.

    But know this: This war has already claimed some of the brightest stars in our families. And many of the future victims of this war will embody all of the hopes we have for the future of the black race.

    I look at my 6-year-old grandson and cringe knowing that unless the God-fearing and decent among us find a way to win this war, one day I will be sending him to the front lines against black children who -- for whatever reason -- have already lost their souls.

    "They're just children," noted Ronald Holt, Blair's father, when the two suspects were arrested. "You wonder where it comes from. What causes a child to wantonly and blatantly hatch such an ill-conceived plan? To go out and do something like this? What makes them do it?"

    We are shell-shocked by what has happened to the Holt family. But it is with them -- it is for us -- that we must take a stand.

    In this war we have to decide which side we're on: the side of the law, or the side of the gangs. If that means turning our back on a family member, so be it.

    We have to make ending gang and gun violence our movement and our cause.

    The Op-Ed can be found at;
    - Janq is a father of two, is 36 yrs. old, Black, and worries for the future of our children :(

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    A kid is dead, so the natural, expected thing to happen next is for Jesse to show up and pass the plate.
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    That guy really, really annoys me.
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    We all know Jessie Jackson. He loves those tv cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    A kid is dead, so the natural, expected thing to happen next is for Jesse to show up and pass the plate.

    *2 !
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    Those who understand binary, and those that don't.

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    Typical Illinois. It'll never change. What is jessie's job anyway?

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    I'm not too worried about it, Jessie HiJackson has been a joke even in the black community for the most part for a while now.

    Not too many main stream folks take him seriously anymore.
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    Yep and yep. ^^

    He's relevant like Jimmy Carter.
    They both of course have a relatively small cadre of ardent followers. As well in some spots of America they can get a free pie and find people who would willingly shake their hand if only to be able to say I shook the hand of Jessie/Jimmy.

    But big picture at the end of the day their power at this sunset stage in their careers comes more so from fear of being bothered or spotlighted than from any real power they might really have. Kid of like that one chubby/husky kid from the school yard. Yeah he looks big and probably is because he got left behind a grade or two, but he's slow and as long as you don't get hit with a haymaker or close in enough for him to lean his bulk against you then well he'll tire out soon and move on to some other easier mark.

    Jesse did some good things in his time but times have changed and he's not to my eye, or many other progressives, kept in step with the new modern rhythm of things.

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    The only good news is that he beat Al Sharpton to the scene...both of those Revs are always looking for opportunity to mug it up for the media under the guise of helping the community.
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    truely a sad case. As a young black man hearing stories like this really hits home. To think that at 16 (not long ago) i could have also lost my life to someone who is that misguided and unsympathetic to innocent life...its hard.

    The gang problem is out of control in this country. I used to believe that gangs only faught over territory they didnt own, sold drugs, and robbed decent hard working people because they wanted something the community wasnt providing. While this is true i have learned it runs much deeper than that. Making the idea of gangs even more tragic and puzzling to us outsiders, and a bane to society.

    Instead of Jackson marching to gunstores and poking at our 2A, he should be on TV speaking out against gangs. If he did that, maybe he would gain a little bit of respect from people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppmeister View Post
    The protesters, who plan to meet at Julian High School in Riverdale, will march to Chuck's Gun Shop and continue on to other stores nearby.
    Should I have lived in that area, it would have delighted me to walk right past the protesters and purchase a weapon while they stand outside.

    Jackson's priorities and driving forces are seriously skewed.

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    I feel for this family...

    But how did this punk get a gun in Chicago? I thought they were banned?

    How about the Firearm Owners ID card (FOID card)? Did this criminal have one of these?

    Two *great ideas* from Ill-annoy that did NOTHING to prevent this tragedy...this criminal was bent on killing.

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    At this same protest a priest, a Fr. Michael Pfleger, called for the owner of Chuck's Gun Shop to be dragged out "like a rat" and "snuffed".

    Link here.

    Pity. As a traditionalist Catholic, I've heard of Pfleger and his parish, St. Sabina's, before. Makes one pine for the old days when we burned heretics.

    Will his boss, Cardinal George do anything about him? Don't hold your breath. I'm sure, however, if he had stood up in front of an abortion clinic and called for the abortionist to be dragged out like a rat and snuffed, the cardinal himself would have probably had him arrested.

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    Jesse perpetuates racism, he doesn't help anything.
    Gun Control means never having to say "I missed you."

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