New Job concerns...
This is a discussion on New Job concerns... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Blackeagle
How likely are you to be assaulted? The fact that you're out in the field would seem to push the odds ...
June 3rd, 2007 11:57 AM
There are other scenarios, you are out there on your own.
Originally Posted by Blackeagle
The house you visit in the middle of nowhere is a meth lab, you get there just as they are loading a batch into a car outside, they get upset at your arrival.
The house you visit is being robbed.
The house you visit is occupied by a cranky old dude who hasn't took his meds in a week and is walking around nude holding a steak knife...
I would carry, as I stated above, and look for other work.
I work on my own, fortunately I am self-employed so the boss (me) allows guns... I wouldn't have it any other way, dealing with the public is not something you can predict.
June 3rd, 2007 12:05 PM
As others have said it's a personal decision and I won't advise one way or the other. That being said if you do decide to carry I'd say you should go for something virtually undetectable. That means that even a J frame may be too big for your needs and you should look at something like a Seecamp. Good luck.
June 3rd, 2007 01:47 PM
June 3rd, 2007 03:06 PM
you need to decide, weight the pros and cons for yourself.( if it is not illegal)
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June 3rd, 2007 06:17 PM
if you're in your own car....even on company business, how can it be against company policy to have your property in your own car.
What do they suggest you do if you're in any of 02s posted situations?
(naked dude with a knife..thanks for THAT visual)
Luvmy40...they tell you you're on the job driving to and from work???? W...T.....other letter are they smoking? Start putting in for mileage reimbursements for those mileage and see what they say. If you're on official business once you leave your driveway..in your own car. Put in for back payments from day one. Either they'll drop that BS or you might come up with a nice bonus.
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June 3rd, 2007 09:07 PM
I used to work for a major midwestern electric utility. Due to state law, I could not carry irregardless of company policy. Once, while on storm outage restoration duty, I was chased by an angry crowd who wanted their power back on. Fortunately I was driving a company car and they were on foot. It doesn't take much to imagine a slight change in circumstances and outcome.
I wouldn't tell you to jeopardize your job, but get the best alternatives you can and start working on changing policy. Ask if they are taking responsibility for your personal safety and will they sign a legal document stating so.
June 3rd, 2007 10:10 PM
Sounds like it is time to start putting in for some mileage reimbursements.
Originally Posted by luvmy40
I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.
June 3rd, 2007 10:23 PM
Myself, I would choose to carry. As others have said, concealment becomes extremely inportant. I would consider carrying a small 9mm
in a pocket holster. I carry my Glock 26 in a Nemesis pocket hlster, and it is well concealed, but easily within reach. I would avoid IWB or OWB holsters, as i would be too easy for the gun to be noticed.. Most likely, you will not need to use your gun, and so you can keep your job as long as you want. In the event that you are forced to pull your gun, or even fire, well, at least you're still around to look for another job. Best of luck, regardless of your decision.
June 4th, 2007 04:33 AM
To sonofasniper and dunndw,
A lobotomy is a prereq to going into mgmt. in the Post Office. There is no way they could enforce such a ludicrous (sp?) statement, but they never let a little thing like the the truth or facts get in the way of mismanaging... uhm, I mean managing.
June 4th, 2007 04:50 AM
I think, I honestly think, that you know what to do.
Originally Posted by Derrin33
So do it, and keep your mouth 200% SHUT.
But it's not my decision, it's yours.
P.S. Can you tell me why you should feel bad about being "dishonest" when THEY want you to be vulnerable, and don't care about your ability to defend your own life out in the middle of nowhere?
Honestly, I don't know where some of you people get these guilt complexes about not being 100% obedient to those who don't give a flying rat's behind about you.
June 4th, 2007 04:55 AM
Originally Posted by 0.02
Although I agree with your final conclusion, I take issue with even bothering to consider those first few questions you posed. It's disingenuous: we are always going on, here, about the fact that "it" can happen "anywhere," and that a place that was "so safe" yesterday could be the scene of a massacre today.
So what does it matter if any personnel have ever been attacked? Does that matter to the first one ever?
June 4th, 2007 05:01 AM
Woulda been funny if, since they forbid you a gun, you were forced to use the COMPANY CAR to mow down some members of a crazed, violent mob.
Originally Posted by AutoFan
I'd love to see how the company had to defend itself then, since the car used belonged to them.
June 4th, 2007 11:33 AM
It's data, from data you make educated forecasts. Anomalies occur but there are certain patterns in certain areas, ask any LEO.
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
June 4th, 2007 11:52 AM
You will have to carfully weigh your options and decide for yourself. My job does not allow for me to carry, period. If I tried and was caught, I'd lose everything including my pension. No thanks. I carry a folder and an OC with me every time I am on shift though. The SOGs are not clear on what constitutes " a deadly weapon" so I do with that information what I need to be safe.
You should look at your options and then go from there.
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June 4th, 2007 12:01 PM
That's a tuff one that is asked quite often.
To say that it's a personal decision that only you can make is obvious but still true. It's easy to say things like "concealed means concealed" etc.
If it were me, I would look to other forms of self defense even if it meant taking some self defense classes, carrying OC spray or maybe an ASP but I would not violate company policy. But that's just me.
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
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