Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits

This is a discussion on Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I thought PA only requires it if your state is shall issue, the form says to include a copy of any license you have. I ...

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    I thought PA only requires it if your state is shall issue, the form says to include a copy of any license you have. I included a copy of my FL permit. I just put my paperwork in the mail, so I guess it's to late to stop the process. I guess if I'm rejected I will need to apply for VA. How long does it take for PA to respond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    I thought PA only requires it if your state is shall issue, the form says to include a copy of any license you have. I included a copy of my FL permit. I just put my paperwork in the mail, so I guess it's to late to stop the process. I guess if I'm rejected I will need to apply for VA. How long does it take for PA to respond?
    I don't know how long PA takes to respond but I also looked into getting a PA non-res permit and I was told that since NJ is a "may issue state" I needed to have a CCW from my home state. It's perverse in that a person from a non issue state like IL is in a better position with regards to this issue.

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    As a non-resident holder of FL CCW, I too am concerned with this latest tactic by the Anti's.

    I believe the CO legislature enacted and the Gov signed such a bill last month stating that CCW holders MUST reside in the state of their permit.
    Why is it that you always find things at the last place you looked?
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    I just recieved my pa non resident took aboutr 20 days

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    Below is an email chain I had with Sheriff Nau. According to his explnanation non-resident FL holders are OK..

    From: "Dennis B. Nau" <dbnau@co.centre.pa.us>
    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 1546 -0400
    To: Rich Milchman <rich@milchman.us>
    Conversation: Concealed Carry ?
    Subject: RE: Concealed Carry ?

    Rich you can apply in Pa. if you have a NJ license to carry. NJ is
    considered an issue state therefore we need a copy of your HJ license to
    carry.

    You will have to go on the Attorney General web site and read the
    reciprocity for Florida license to carry holders. One portion says the
    purpose of the agreement is to extend reciprocity with residence of Pa.
    and Florida. However in the body of the actual agreement it says that
    license holders of Florida permits not Florida residence with license to
    carry.

    I am not sure of the intent of the law however it plainly says in the
    one portion they (Florida and Pennsylvania) will honor license holders
    from the others state, not residence.

    Happy Trails ...Sheriff Nau


    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Rich Milchman [mailto:rich@milchman.us]
    >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:06 PM
    >To: Dennis B. Nau
    >Subject: Concealed Carry ?
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    >I was wondering if you could possibly help me out. I live in NJ and
    have a
    >FL non-resident permit. Is it true that PA will no longer accept this
    >permit as it is a non-resident and I should apply for a PA
    non-resident?
    >
    >Thanks for your assistance.
    >--
    >Rich
    >http://www.milchman.us/
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    >

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    So the question is our FL permits good or not good in NJ? As far as NJ residents getting a PA permit this is the responce I received:


    From: "Dennis B. Nau" <dbnau@co.centre.pa.us>
    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:25:45 -0400
    To: Rich Milchman <rich@milchman.us>
    Conversation: Concealed Carry ?
    Subject: RE: Concealed Carry ?

    Rich unfortunately you still need NJ permit. I have brought this issue
    up with the Attorney General's Office of both states and they consider
    NJ an Issue State.

    Happy Trails ...Sheriff Nau


    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Rich Milchman [mailto:rich@milchman.us]
    >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:45 AM
    >To: Dennis B. Nau
    >Subject: Re: Concealed Carry ?
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    >Thanks for your response. Hope you don't mind one more question. Even
    >though NJ is considered an issue state there is a better chance of snow
    in
    >July in NJ then acquiring a carry license in NJ. With that said, does
    that
    >equate to not being able to getting a non-resident PA permit?
    >

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    So the question is our FL permits good or not good in NJ? As far as NJ residents getting a PA permit this is the responce I received:


    From: "Dennis B. Nau" <dbnau@co.centre.pa.us>
    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:25:45 -0400
    To: Rich Milchman <rich@milchman.us>
    Conversation: Concealed Carry ?
    Subject: RE: Concealed Carry ?

    Rich unfortunately you still need NJ permit. I have brought this issue
    up with the Attorney General's Office of both states and they consider
    NJ an Issue State.

    Happy Trails ...Sheriff Nau


    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Rich Milchman [mailto:rich@milchman.us]
    >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:45 AM
    >To: Dennis B. Nau
    >Subject: Re: Concealed Carry ?
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    >Thanks for your response. Hope you don't mind one more question. Even
    >though NJ is considered an issue state there is a better chance of snow
    in
    >July in NJ then acquiring a carry license in NJ. With that said, does
    that
    >equate to not being able to getting a non-resident PA permit?
    >
    That is the response I had received when I called several months ago.
    For now the only safe alternative for NJ residents carrying in PA is to get a non-res ccw VA permit. "NJ an issue state" Hah!! That's a good one.

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    We can get a VA permit. My concern is if they changed the rules for FL, why not change it for all non-resident permits.

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    New Agreement?

    Seems to me that if you want to question the wording of the agreement between Florida and Pennsylvania, you could say that the whole thing is null and void. It makes reference to the Division of Licensing, Dept of State of Florida. My CCW came from the Division of Licensing, Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. I think it may be time for a new agreement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantomphixer View Post
    Seems to me that if you want to question the wording of the agreement between Florida and Pennsylvania, you could say that the whole thing is null and void. It makes reference to the Division of Licensing, Dept of State of Florida. My CCW came from the Division of Licensing, Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. I think it may be time for a new agreement!
    There's a good fix!! It would be better for all if every reciprocity agreement addressed the "non-resident issue" directly rather than leaving it open for interpretation.

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    My issue is two fold also. I'm a PRNJ resident and can't get one. Duh..

    I don't see the reason behind it because Fl requirements are higher than pa's. Florida requires some form or training while pa requires nothing. Training is usual a reason why some states won't recip with each other.

    I spend a lot of time in pa and plan on moving there soon but after a stint of unemployment it kinda put me behind the eight ball. I think 5 months of not working has put me a year and a half behind. How did that happen

    And this whole problem started with some dam anti in philly putting a bug up the staties asses. Trying to use the sp for there agenda.

    I personal am not going to stop carrying until I see it changed with the pa AG.

    The law is the law and concealed means concealed.

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    Plus I would be more than happy to sue the State police for wrongfull arrest and all that good stuff.

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    On the AG site the document has not been updated since 09/06/2005. I guess depending on how you read the following paragraph determines if we are safe or not.

    "This Reciprocity Agreement applies only to the carrying of firearms as defined and authorized by the applicable statutes of Pennsylvania by valid license/permit holders from the respective states and not to any other types of weapons".

    The Florida web site says non-residents are not allowed to carry in PA. Which infomration is correct? And where is the misinformation coming from? I'm starting to leanr towards never_retreat and continuing to carry when I want to.

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    I actually spoke with Ken Wilkson at Flordia Dept Agriculture and he then
    send myself and several others an email stating that he been in contact
    with PA and to be on the safe side until if and any legislation was passed
    that the FLA website would be coded with a note 4. indicating that PA
    would not honor FLA ccw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear claw View Post
    I actually spoke with Ken Wilkson at Flordia Dept Agriculture and he then
    send myself and several others an email stating that he been in contact
    with PA and to be on the safe side until if and any legislation was passed
    that the FLA website would be coded with a note 4. indicating that PA
    would not honor FLA ccw.

    Because FL added a 4, I guess that means it's not necc. true. I sent an email to the PA attorney general, if I get a responce I will post it.

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