Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits

Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits

This is a discussion on Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Handgunlaw.us has been updated to reflect that PA will only honor those permits that are issued to residents of the states they honor. Here is ...

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    Pennsylvania & Florida Non Resident Permits

    Handgunlaw.us has been updated to reflect that PA will only honor those permits that are issued to residents of the states they honor.

    Here is part of the Email I recieved from Mr. Wilkerson concerning my requests for info on the FL/PA Non Resident issue.
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    Later this afternoon, the Florida reciprocity web page will be revised to reflect that authorities in Pennsylvania WILL NOT honor a Florida concealed weapon license UNLESS the license holder is a resident of the State of Florida. Our motivation in making this change is the security and well-being of those non-resident license holders who may in fact face arrest and prosecution in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania if they should decide to travel there while carrying a concealed firearm with their Florida licenses. Clearly, the latest word coming out of the Pennsylvania AG's office confirms that our non-resident licensees are at risk.

    If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get back in touch with me.

    Ken Wilkinson
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    Tallahassee, Florida 32314-6687
    Stay Safe,
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    Well - if PA is doing this then I wonder how much longer before my FL non-res will be shut down somewhere. Obviously don't need it in PA but ......

    What or who does this protect I wonder? I was under impression FL requirements for gaining a permit were well adequate - which would seem to include those applications from non res folks..

    Thx for heads up Gary anyways.
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    I, too, add my thanks, Gary, for the post.

    A week or two ago I heard a rumor about this. Now it seems confirmed.

    I wonder if our Commonwealth of PA is going to do the same thing with other non-res licensees....

    Also, I wonder if this is a Homeland Security thing....
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    This is exactlly why I went ahead and took the Missouri Training so I could have a Permit in my home state the past Saturday.

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    As a holder of a FL non-res CCW permit this is a matter of great concern to me so last week I spoke to both the AG's office in PA and the PA state Police. As they both explained it to me the AG's office took the position that the reciprocity agreement between FL and PA covered the non-res holders. The State Police did not agree and focused on the following clause from the reciprocity agreement:

    "WHEREAS, the purpose of this Reciprocity Agreement is to extend reciprocal concealed firearm carry permit/license privileges to the citizens of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the State of Florida..."

    The State police therefore concluded that non-res holders of FL ccw (by definition not being citizens of said state) permits were not covered. Below is the link for the full agreement.


    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=428


    Now the good (sort of) news. Both the AG's office AND the State Police agreed that a holder of Virginia's non-resident CCW permit was fine in PA. The reciprocity agreement with VA does not mention the citizenship issue with respect to the two states. See link to agreement below.

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploa...eciprocity.pdf

    And yes, my friend and I are both applying for the VA non res permit.
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    A friend of mine and I were discussing this the other day and he took the liberty of calling the Pa Ag office. They confirmed no changes have been made in there acceptances of A Fl non-resident card. My inside scoop on this from a local Pd was that this mess is being stirred up between some low life politicians in Philla and the state police. Just goes to show what levels those dirt bags in philla will go to stop legal gun owners from having guns.

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    I have a resident VA concealed handgun permit and currently reside in MA.
    As per VA law the permit as issued to me when I was a resident remains as much untill it expires with no regard by the state toward where I might nove to thereafter be it in state or out.

    So I wonder would PA recognize my legitimate resident VA CHP even as my residence is MA as indicated on my motor vehicle operators license?

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    Since when does a police agency override the opinions of the state's Attorney General?

    Did I just move to some banana republic?

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    I posted my concern about the wording of the agreements with PA some time ago and was shouted down as a rabble rouser bringing up a non-issue... Seems to be an issue now.

    Alright, so WHAT is the law in PA? I have a non-res NH permit that I use when I go there and now I have to wonder again if iti s valid. Wish my Resident permit would be accepted but it is from NY and nearly NOBODY recognizes it.

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    I just completed my app for a PA non-resident permit and will be dropping it in the mail within the hour. I decided about a week ago that since I was coming to PA this summer and the question had not been resolved I would get the PA non-resident rather than trusting in my NH non-resident permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_cmg View Post
    I just completed my app for a PA non-resident permit and will be dropping it in the mail within the hour. I decided about a week ago that since I was coming to PA this summer and the question had not been resolved I would get the PA non-resident rather than trusting in my NH non-resident permit.
    What's invoved in getting a non-resident PA permit?

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    Kansas has this stupid requirement, too. I first got my Kansas, then my PA, and next I'll get my FL. I hope states don't start getting in line to stop honoring non-resident permits, though. That's a slippery slope we don't need.

    All you have to do to get non-res PA is fill out the paperwork and send $26 to the Centre county sheriff's office with a copy of your DL and your home state CCW if you have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    What's invoved in getting a non-resident PA permit?
    Submitting the app along with a copy of driver license and a copy of your permit from your home state and pay $26. Go to Handgunlaw.us and click on Non-Resident Permit on the left. Then go down to Pennsylvania and it will provide links to the Centre County Sheriff and to the application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_cmg View Post
    Submitting the app along with a copy of driver license and a copy of your permit from your home state and pay $26. Go to Handgunlaw.us and click on Non-Resident Permit on the left. Then go down to Pennsylvania and it will provide links to the Centre County Sheriff and to the application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    Thanks,
    Rich
    The problem is that PA won't give a non-res permit to a NJ resident. PA requires you to first have a permit from your home state before you apply for their non-res permit. If you are from a totally non-issue state like IL you don't have an issue with PA because PA recognizes that you can't have a permit from your home state. However if you live in a "may issue" (I know NJ is "may issue" in name only) state PA will require you to show them thay you have a permit from your home state.

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