This is a discussion on Ramanda Inn Armed Robbery within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa4_1181134932&p=1 I actually work in a hotel and this guy gave someone with a CHL too many opportunities. I know what i would have done, ...
Last edited by Dihappy; June 7th, 2007 at 04:13 AM.
Hmmm, lets see here:
Draw when jackass repockets/ lowers his handgun below the counter. You show me that thing, you better keep it on me. Many times you could draw during that. And hell when he sat the damn gun on the counter would be your best time to draw.
First I think I would laugh at Mr. Bolt Action with his scope. Draw when he crouches down and rifle aims at ceiling. Depending on how he reacts to me I will have to decide if I fire or not. If he drops the gun so be it, but if he tilts it my way I am putting some rounds through him.
Last edited by Harold Fastwaker; June 7th, 2007 at 05:27 AM.
Vid one. You don't know that he's repocketed just put down to side. When he pushed to the backroom there is time to drawI may have headed to the back room as he put the pistol on the counter and locked the door.
Vid two the gun is on him the whole time scope or not. If I saw before he entered with the rifle that would be the window of opportunity
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I used to work graveyard shift at a Ramada front desk, back before I was 21. Looking back on it now, it was probably a stupid thing to do unarmed. I had to call the local PD more than once in the 4 months that I worked there, but was never robbed/threathened personally.
Vid #1 - If either the clerk or the patron who sees the BG jump over the desk had been armed, there were multiple opportunities to draw on him. The BG was clearly assuming he was the only one armed (which was apparently correct).
Vid #2 - If the clerk had done any mental scenarios, and realized what was happening fast enough, there was an opportunity to sprint back into the back room, out of view, when the BG cycled the bolt on his rifle. If the BG jumps the counter to follow him, he gets ventilated with the clerk's freshly drawn pistol. If that opportunity is missed, the only other one I saw was when he bent down behind the counter.
We just got back from vacation. I carried while there - even if I just walked down to get ice or the little breakfast they served or just to use their internet.
Like the video shows - you never know when or where something like that might happen.
It's good to try and always be prepared.
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I agree with Scheetz.
My only difference is that toward Vid 2 I would probably laugh inside and then soon as he did did down as he did doing whatever he was doing that would be his last thing done. I'd draw and fire upon him.
If I by chance happened to see him enter with the rifle I'd attempt to exit immediately if such an option were available to me.
Once the BG pulled and pointed the gun, he has made his bad intentions clearly understood. If the guy at the counter had had a weapon, it could have been drawn and used to dispatch the BG when he lowered his weapon below the counter...in this case I would have despensed with the 2CM/1H...(because of the windows and posibble individuals behind), and made it 3CM.
This BG was a little more cautious, but the opportunity for a 2 sec draw/fire 3x was possible. Also, moving and shooting would have made the scoped rifle much more difficult to use...
A bolt action scoped rifle used for a robbery...what an idiot!
Neither is a scenario I would want to be involved in...
It's easy to describe what to do sitting here at the computer, however, with a gun pointed at 'you', I know the brain cells areand the thinking is out of the question...simply a will to live and a split second to take action...fully committed...
Either guy could have easily been shot...AFTER...giving the money to the BG...this happens all the time!
My wife and I talk a lot about reacting quickly and violently...no questions asked...
Tough call for sure!
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Video 1: I would have drawn as soon as he put his gun back to his side and fired.
Video 2: I would have drawn as soon as he ducked down behind the counter, and fired as soon as he came back up. Hopefully getting a shot or a few shots off before he got his one off.
Of course if I had the opportunity to put some space or a locked door or anything like that between them and myself I would have. But I would think that being in a tight space like behind the counter could make that a little hard to do.
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Reading all this stuff about being in a hotel while robbed at gunpoint is unnerving...I'm in a hotel right now..lol 2wks to go!
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I would have shot the guy in the first vid as there were plenty of opportunities as other posters have stated.
In the second, There really wasn't time to do anything other than what the guy did unless he could have grabbed the rifle and came across the counter while the idiot was chambering a round.
What kind of stooge goes in to rob somebody at gunpoint without a round in the chamber? Oh well, I guess it worked out ok for him, cause he got the money.
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...Vid 1: at about 45 seconds into it, did I see a customer w/ luggage come into view from the top of the screen, then abruptly turn around & leave?......he (other customer) could have called police immediately once out of view!!!!