The dreaded school parking lot...

The dreaded school parking lot...

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    The dreaded school parking lot...

    I was giving this some thought the other day and realized that I don't know the answer, at least not with 100% surety. Even after looking it up again, I can't tell, but here goes.

    It has always been my understanding that in KY, you are legal everywhere as long as you stay in the car. From time to time I have to pick some church kids up from the school, and I have always made it a point to either lock my weapon in the glovebox, or never get out of the car. After looking at KRS statutes again, I am not so sure keeping the weapon on my person is in fact legal. That was the way our instructor taught us at the CCW class, but then again, the book really doesn't specify that.

    I know it probably is a silly thing to worry about, but better safe, than sorry.


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    Contact a lawyer in your area for a definitive answer, preferrably the one you would pick to defend you if you had to use your firearm in lawful self defense on school grounds. Cheaper to pay the $50-100 for a professional opinion, than just "wing it"....
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    Be very careful!

    Under federal law, unless you have a state-issued license to carry, you're committing a five-year felony every time you go into a school zone (1000' from a school) with a firearm. Check out 18 U.S.C. § 922 (q) (1).

    Here in NM, it's a 4th degree felony to carry on school premises (although it's legal under STATE law to have the gun in your car if you're over 19). NMSA 1978, § 30-7-2.1 (1994).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSamaritan
    I know it probably is a silly thing to worry about, but better safe, than sorry.
    I don't think that is a silly thing to worry about. I would probably read the actual law and contact the office that issues permits. Better to be safe than sorry.
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    The laws all seem to contradict each other. I've been told that as an instructor I'm not qualified to possess a firearm on school grounds in my car under any circumstances regardless of whether or not I have a permit.

    Basically a CHL holder can have a gun in the car at a school but I can't regardless of whether or not I hold a permit because I work there.

    I don't believe that is accurate, but there are equally stupid inconsistencies in the law. I'll find out the truth if the state ever sees fit to issue me a permit.

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    There certainly seem to be some appallingly gray areas in some states - well most! I think even a lawyer might have a problem interpreting some of the statutes I have seen.
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    It's nice to be in a state where folks with a CHL are allowed to carry on school grounds. Unless Ginny Burdick gets her way.
    Here's an interesting tidbit.
    One thing that got me thinking about leaving CA. A person with a valid CCW can carry on school grounds, but a Leatherman on your belt while on school grounds is a Felony charge waiting to happen, even if you have you CCW. one of many inconsistencies there.
    Thankfully, pocketkives are allowed at school here in Oregon, so no worries there.
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    I don't think that is a silly thing to worry about. I would probably read the actual law and contact the office that issues permits. Better to be safe than sorry.
    Actually I have read the law, more than once. I have also contacted the office that issues the permits, and they never got back to me. LOL


    Under federal law, unless you have a state-issued license to carry, you're committing a five-year felony every time you go into a school zone (1000' from a school) with a firearm. Check out 18 U.S.C. § 922 (q) (1).
    Actually that is quite silly when you realize that most of the schools in this area are less than 1000' from a highway, much less private homes.

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    In Arizona, the places "off limits" while carrying. I have bolded the references to schools & colleges:

    1. Any establishment licensed to serve alcohol for on-premises consumption (e.g., a bar or restaurant, but not a liquor store or supermarket that sells alcoholic beverages in sealed containers).

    2. Any establishment or event open to the public where the operator makes a reasonable request for you to give them custody or remove the weapon from the premises. A sign would qualify for such request. By law, cities and counties are required to offer on-site storage if they ban weapons but not all are in compliance.

    3. The grounds of any public school, other than the parking lot. In order to be legal in the parking lot the weapon must be unloaded, and, if left in an unattended vehicle, such vehicle must be locked and the weapon out of sight.

    4. State universities and community colleges. Community-college parking lots are treated like those of public schools.

    5. Commercial nuclear or hydroelectric generating stations.

    6. Polling places on election day.

    7. Correctional facilities, including the parking lot.

    8. Game refuges, except during an authorized hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclidean
    The laws all seem to contradict each other. I've been told that as an instructor I'm not qualified to possess a firearm on school grounds in my car under any circumstances regardless of whether or not I have a permit.

    Basically a CHL holder can have a gun in the car at a school but I can't regardless of whether or not I hold a permit because I work there.

    I don't believe that is accurate, but there are equally stupid inconsistencies in the law. I'll find out the truth if the state ever sees fit to issue me a permit.
    This exactly the situation in Virginia. As a non-employee CHP holder I can bring a firearm onto school property in a "locked container". As an employee of the school you may not. Sucks doesn't it? We have the same situation where I work. The building isn't posted so anyone with a CHP could enter without a problem. As an employee I am banned from carrying or bringing on the property any unauthorized "weapons".

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    Maybe it's just a case of one step at a time....finally getting our rights back for keeping and bearing arms....just have to put up with some silly constraints for a while...we need to keep up the pressure with the lawmakers. I don't like the inconsistencies either, but I'm darned glad I can legally carry.

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