CHL course instructor never carries!
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I should clarify that this class was the bare minimum "competency-requirement" course required in Oregon to get a CHL. Primary topics ...
June 18th, 2007 06:16 PM
Thanks for the replies.
I should clarify that this class was the bare minimum "competency-requirement" course required in Oregon to get a CHL. Primary topics were how to safely load, unload and store a handgun. No actual CCW techniques were covered other than "this is an IWB holster." I've also taken more extensive NRA-sponsored courses in handgun use (but it is not required by law to have done so).
Tomorrow morning is my appointment to "apply" for a CHL. So, 45-days from tomorrow, I'll be legal!
June 18th, 2007 06:16 PM
June 18th, 2007 06:59 PM
When I was a rookie LEO one of my first discoveries was that all cops don't like guns! CAN YOU IMAGINE???
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
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June 18th, 2007 07:03 PM
When I took my CC class it was taught at our police academy. All the instructors are police instructors. One is a local chief. He said he never carries off duty. He feels our area is safe enough so their is no need.However he did add that when traveling to the larger cities in our state he always carried.
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June 18th, 2007 07:50 PM
18 years in uniform carrying openly and I never had to resort to the defensive sidearm. Not even once.
Off duty, in civilian attire, I carried concealed, everywhere, everywhen.
On three occasions I had desperate need of the persuasive friend who could argue loudly and powerfully in my behalf.
Had I not been carrying concealed, in civilian attire, on each of those occasions, I would not breathe air today.
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June 18th, 2007 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by ArmyCop
Wow... Color me Confused with that one!
What is he going to do to protect his family when they are the target? Blow his rape whistle?
I've never felt "Obligated" to intervene on someone elses behalf just because I was armed. I would think that the one time you would want your gun is when you are WITH your family.
I would sure hate to attempt to take on 3 thugs who are saying vile things and suggestions towards my wife without a gun in my pocket!
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
June 18th, 2007 08:19 PM
Maybe he has deadly hands and a black belt
June 18th, 2007 08:20 PM
He doesn't carry off duty because his method of self-defense is "avoidance", "don't be there", and "stop short of the car ahead of you at traffic signals." His big plan is to stay out of the bad part of town.
Originally Posted by still442
He doesn't carry at home because his wife and daughter "know where the gun is" and they can all get to it if they need it. Even if it is in a zippered fanny pack in the bedroom dresser drawer.
He has 16 rules on how to protect yourself from your own gun and zero rules on how to protect yourself with your own gun. As in rule number one: Carry always, even off duty, even when you're on the good side of town, and even if you know sheriff karate.
Whoever your instructor was would fit in nicely in my liberal town where he could go on gun-free bike rides with a former police chief mayor.
Do yourself a favor and take a CCW specific class (NOT at the sheriff's office this time) or login here frequently.
June 19th, 2007 12:05 AM
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Is this in Multnomah County, by any chance? My son got his Oregon permit about a month ago, and he told me the same thing about his instructor.
Originally Posted by still442
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Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
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June 19th, 2007 01:03 AM
I sure hope I dont step on any toes with this post but I believe and speaking the truth, but a little thought. I am from the school that there are two types of mentalities in law enforcement. Those working a job and those working a career. Those working a job are there for a paycheck and hang up their gear as soon as they go 10-7. Those working a career realize that they have chosen a profession and are prepared to step in if the situation is serious enough to stand up (like the off duty officer in the mall shooting in Salt Lake city).
For me, I seriously wonder about an officer who packs up all his toys when he goes 10-7. Its their choice, but I never choose to partner with one of them. Its just speaks about their commitment in my book.
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June 19th, 2007 02:51 AM
If I knew that about the instructor ahead of time, I would seek instruction elsewhere. Period.
That's rather like buying life insurance after a particularly convincing sales pitch by a guy who doesn't own a dollar's worth of it himself.
I'd be asking myself, "If it's as worthwhile as he's saying it is, why doesn't he have it, himself?"
Sounds like your dude there is a weirdo. Or not too bright. Does he figure that the only time he might ever need a gun is when he's not playing the part of the civvy?
June 19th, 2007 02:52 AM
Fed W Sig: I always thought that a sworn office is never truly 10-7.
24-7 on duty was the way I was raised. Every human has a duty to step in and protect the innocent, and a sworn officer has an even greater duty even when "off-duty". Maybe I was raised wrong, but that is still the way I live my life, and raised my children.
BTW Fed w Sig, thanks for your service and what you do for us.
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June 19th, 2007 05:01 AM
Originally Posted by ArmyCop
Aaaand, what if something happened to his family?
Has he thought of that, I wonder?
June 19th, 2007 05:03 AM
Well, it certainly doesn't sound like his heart is in being a cop.
Originally Posted by Ron
I don't care much for the idea of people becoming cops when it, to them, is just a paycheck. I know they're free to, but if I were selecting the officers to be on the force, I'd do my best to weed out such specimens.
June 19th, 2007 05:05 AM
Do you mean, "Not all cops like guns"?
Originally Posted by Thumper
Surely some do.
June 19th, 2007 05:13 AM
Sorry for the string of posts, I'd like to add this to my first one but it won't let me edit it anymore. (What's up with that?)
I was thinking, is it possible that the instructor is just SAYING that he doesn't carry, just because maybe he or his superiors realize they have to give the class so people can get their shall-issue permits, but they're hoping to actually discourage some percentage of attendees from carrying once they're licensed?
You know, not every member of every agency that issues concealed carry licenses is going to be fond of the idea of all of the graduates carrying... Maybe he's just posing as a non-carrier just to set an example he hopes will stick in the minds of some...
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