CHL course instructor never carries!

CHL course instructor never carries!

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    CHL course instructor never carries!

    Last week I attended the competency training course at my local Sheriff's office. I was surprised to learn that the instructor, a volunteer deputy and firearms instructor, never carries a weapon when off-duty.

    Seems to me that someone who is serious enough about concealed weapons to teach a course about it for 20+ years would be the most likely person to carry 100% of the time, but this is not the case.

    I just found this interesting, and worth sharing...


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    You would be surprised at how many don't, even though they can.
    I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.

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    One the the Guys I shoot IDPA with is a state Hunter's safety course instructor and has never hunted, Doesn't think it's sporting. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEV View Post
    One the the Guys I shoot IDPA with is a state Hunter's safety course instructor and has never hunted, Doesn't think it's sporting. Go figure.

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    I don't find that strange. He is concerned about firearms safety and while he does not hunt himself he wants others to do so safely.

    The CCW training thing boggles me though. Perhaps he is one of those who simply carries when he "thinks he may need it." Of course if I thought I might need it where I was going I would not go there...

    Alternatively he could just want the money for running the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEV View Post
    One the the Guys I shoot IDPA with is a state Hunter's safety course instructor and has never hunted, Doesn't think it's sporting. Go figure.

    MikeV
    Sounds like me. Well, I figure it's sporting but I've never had the opportunity. I team teach with a great group of people.
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    It would be interesting to find out why. I for one would have my doubts about someone teaching a CC course and not carrying. I teach and carry 24/7. It makes little sense to me not to.
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    I don't think I've heard of that one. It would be interesting if you could manage to ask him his line of thought on going w/o CCW, if able to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by still442 View Post
    I was surprised to learn that the instructor, a volunteer deputy and firearms instructor, never carries a weapon when off-duty.
    Look at the bright side. You came to realize two immutable truths: (a) that your recognition of his "error" won't be made by you, since you realize your crystal ball is just as defective as everyone else's in terms of knowing when/where you're going to need your firearm for self-defense; and (b) that a person can be skilled and experienced enough to teach some things, but that any given expert doesn't know everything.

    In terms of your own security posture, that his decision to not carry stuck in your craw is a good thing. Let him have a reduced ability to defend; that shouldn't impact your own.

    Then again, his decision might well be predicated upon his knowledge of other martial arts, such that not having a weapon on a daily basis hardly means he's unarmed. Which means, you've also learned that: you'll never know.

    See how valuable that course was?
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    I just take the stance that I look at things differently then some. I've learned that carrying concealed is more than just a hobby, or a luxury, or a liberty. It's a lifestyle and one that you must be totally dedicated to. Some clearly don't understand it or understand it and don't want to take the responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still442 View Post
    Last week I attended the competency training course at my local Sheriff's office. I was surprised to learn that the instructor, a volunteer deputy and firearms instructor, never carries a weapon when off-duty.
    Its all about choice...
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    One officer I know said he won't carry with with family so he won't feel obligated to intervene if something happened and put his family at risk.
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    I met a local LEO at the range several weeks ago, and in the course of our conversation I asked him what he carried when off duty. He said that he did not carry. When I asked why not, he said that he was concerned about the liability issues. I decided that it would have been inappropriate for me to pursue the subject further, so I let it drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    I met a local LEO at the range several weeks ago, and in the course of our conversation I asked him what he carried when off duty. He said that he did not carry. When I asked why not, he said that he was concerned about the liability issues. I decided that it would have been inappropriate for me to pursue the subject further, so I let it drop.

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    Sounds like his department discourages it to protect themselves from liability issues.

    Doesn't Florida have a Stand Your Ground law that limits liability in justified shootings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protect View Post
    Sounds like his department discourages it to protect themselves from liability issues.

    Doesn't Florida have a Stand Your Ground law that limits liability in justified shootings?
    Yes it does, but the key word is "justified," which is a subjective concept. You may well be correct that his department discouraged it, although I didn't get that impression. From the conversation, I thought that it was a personal decision on his part.

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    I, obviously, didn't take the course with you, so I can only surmise, but...

    It seems to me that if he doesn't carry, he would have a hard time trying to teach the nuances of CC. He can know the laws, guns, methods, etc, but I would guess he has a hard time answering the type of questions we discuss on this board; the things you don't think about until it happens: using a public bathroom, hitches when drawing from IWB, ins and outs of different types of carry, and dozens of other things.

    I can see where his class would probably be OK for really new people, but anyone with experience, might have a hard time getting anything from it. His only base of practical knowledge has to come from anecdotes he's "heard from someone else".
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