"No weapons" policies - what would you do?
This is a discussion on "No weapons" policies - what would you do? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I am a couple weeks away from my license arriving in the mail. As such, I'm going about my day thinking about CCW when/where/how.
June 21st, 2007 05:03 PM
"No weapons" policies - what would you do?
I am a couple weeks away from my license arriving in the mail. As such, I'm going about my day thinking about CCW when/where/how.
I both work for and attend urban Universities (not the same one). Both of them have "no weapons" policies, and both policy manuals specifically say "not even if the person has a concealed weapon license"...
How would you go about your day if these were the restrictions placed upon you?
Here's a typical day:
- Travel to work on bus
- Reach University A, work until after lunch
- Travel to University B on public transport, attend classes until the late afternoon
- Return home on bus
The published repercussions are nonspecific. For work: "violators will be escorted off campus by Public Safety" and school is: "any student violating policy is subject to disciplinary action".
What would you do, if you were me?
June 21st, 2007 05:13 PM
I'm going to begin school again, in a crime-ridden, downtown area. Similar situation, even though I like carrying everywhere, school will restrict that. I think I'll probably be leaving my main CCW at home, and carry the j-frame in the car, but will have to lock it in a safe in the car. I do not plan to go without. I'll just take it as far as I can.
Have you thought about non-lethal carry to school?
June 21st, 2007 05:18 PM
That is a difficult situation. I don't know where you live, but you could well be in violation of state law if you set foot on campus with a gun. I can't advocate breaking the law, so if that's the case my advice will be to leave the gun at home.
If it isn't a part of the law but just a policy, you have to think about how much your education and job mean to you. If you're willing to get fired and/or be thrown out of school then you carry. If not, you have to leave it behind. In that situation, especially in the aftermath of 9/11, I'd have a small "hideaway' gun on me. Nobody would ever know unless you had to use it. At that point, being alive to face the consequences is far better than the alternative.
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June 21st, 2007 05:25 PM
And some song lyrics come to mind, "Dont' take your guns to town son, no leave your guns at home boy, don't take your guns to town."
"Beware of the man who only owns one gun. He probably knows how to use it."
June 21st, 2007 05:29 PM
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June 21st, 2007 05:37 PM
Pick up your gun when you get home, no is no
June 21st, 2007 05:37 PM
Since you ride public transportation to and from is there someplace you can safely lock it up while at work and classes? If not, and it is not against the law, just policy, either some form of non-lethal weapon or deep cover of a small pocket gun would be an option. You need to decide how bad the area is you are in and what it is worth to you. Realize that trouble can happen anywhere, not just bad neighborhoods. The risk assessment is up to you.
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June 21st, 2007 05:38 PM
As long as carrying at the schools is only prohibited by policy, and not illegal, then you have to weigh the risks. Could you afford to be fired or expelled?
The public transportation makes it tough since you can't just park off campus and secure your gun in the car.
Certainly consider OC spray.
Last edited by ArtificialGrape; June 21st, 2007 at 05:39 PM.
June 21st, 2007 05:59 PM
See post #19 for applicable laws, looks like I fat fingered my cut and pastes, thanks to SonofaSniper for the complete listing.
June 21st, 2007 06:15 PM
June 21st, 2007 06:41 PM
The way I read that (my opinion) is: Section 3 says Section 1 does not apply IF the person is licensed to carry a concealed weapon (3d) or is not prohibited from possessing the firearm (3f).
3f is there because Oregon is an Open Carry state. They are saying as long as you are not prohibited from owning it you are not prohibited from carrying it on school grounds or storing it in a vehicle on school grounds.
Another thing: "School" does not generally apply to Colleges, they are usually covered as general State facilities or private property.
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June 21st, 2007 06:59 PM
My interpretation is based on the *166.360 Definitions for ORS 166.360 to 166.380* that states:
Originally Posted by JD
(4) “Public building” means a hospital, a capitol building, a public or private school, as defined in ORS 339.315, a college or university, a city hall or the residence of any state official elected by the state at large, and the grounds adjacent to each such building. The term also includes that portion of any other building occupied by an agency of the state or a municipal corporation, as defined in ORS 297.405, other than a court facility.
From ORS 339.315:
(3) As used in this section, “school” means:
(a) A public or private institution of learning providing instruction at levels kindergarten through grade 12, or their equivalents, or any part thereof;
Clearly, a school is different than a college or university.
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun.
implies to me that CCW is legal. Of course, the university policy may preclude firearms, as you said.
June 21st, 2007 07:02 PM
If you were from Texas I would tell you to leave the weapon at home. It is illegal to carry in to a school building in Texas (at present).
If you live in a state that does not have that law and it is just school policy then I say concealed is concealed.
You have a lot of time on public transportation that in some cities is not the safest way to get around.
It is the policy of my office that I can not carry, but I ride a scooter or drive a pickup to the office and I leave my weapon in a locked compartment one floor below me in the parking garage. On those rare occasions that I come to work and my vehicle is not parked one flight below me I carry concealed.
I don't think I would get fired if my bosses found out I was carrying that day I think they would ignore the fact that I broke the policy, but you never know.
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
"Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."
June 21st, 2007 07:09 PM
It appears you don't have much choice in the matter and will need to leave your gun behind.
June 21st, 2007 07:12 PM
I am not telling what I would do
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