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Lost some business due to Carrying

This is a discussion on Lost some business due to Carrying within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by kavity It's really just due diligence. Just because I invited YOU into my home doesn't mean YOU aren't gonna try to rob ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    It's really just due diligence. Just because I invited YOU into my home doesn't mean YOU aren't gonna try to rob me.

    Also, if you have a gun I am automatically going to treat you like a possible threat until you prove otherwise.
    So, by that logic, you're OK with the cops doing the full felony, eat the concrete, proned out, guns pointed routine on you if they EVER detect a gun. I mean, until they see your paperwork, you're a threat, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    How will you know if it is concealed? Do you have a metal detector on your door, or do you frisk guys down when they come to fix your garbage disposal?

    It's time to get real on this one and stop playing devil's advocate - when you own a home and invite people in to do work it is a situation built on trust, if you don't trust them to enter it doesn't matter if they are armed or not, if you do trust them to come in it's the same story.

    If you're going to have security clearance requirements to enter your house then honest working men will laugh and go elsewhere to work, us working guys can smell neurosis a mile off, I don't do work for people who are high maintenance because 99 times out of 100 they don't pay the bill, something is wrong with the job or I looked at the cat funny or I whistled the wrong tune or my truck looked bad on the drive ...

    Life's too short to work on people's houses who are delusional, and making me go through 'security clearance' is delusional.
    Incidentally, before I'm asked, I do work on very expensive properties including two ex-Senators, many stupidly rich Lawyers and about every Lobbyist in Nashville.

    I do know what I am talking about here.
    You guys are blowing what I am saying WAYYY out of proportion. I'm not requiring a background check or "security clearance". Concealed is concealed, but if I see it then expect me to go orange and question you about it.

    Let me ask you this: What would you do if you hired Joe Plumber to come to your house and fix your toilet and when he bent over you noticed a .45 in his belt? For examples sake: You do not know Joe. You haven't used this company before. Your children are playing in the next room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofspades View Post
    Most big companies (your 'chain' HVAC, plumbers, etc.) also require their service people to be bonded and insured... therefore, they've passed background checks.
    I'm self-employed, I'm still Licensed, Bonded and Insured. TN doesn't let me be licensed without being bonded and insured, and without the license the work isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plblark View Post
    So, by that logic, you're OK with the cops doing the full felony, eat the concrete, proned out, guns pointed routine on you if they EVER detect a gun. I mean, until they see your paperwork, you're a threat, right?
    Exactly where have I ever said I would eat concrete, prone out, and point my gun at the maintenance man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    Also, I live in Alexandria (Fairfax Co.). It's illegal to open carry here.
    It's not illegal to open carry anywhere in Virginia. The state's preemption law applies to both CCW and open carry. Heck, you can strap on your gun and have a BBQ in a Fairfax County park

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    You guys are blowing what I am saying WAYYY out of proportion. I'm not requiring a background check or "security clearance".
    But I'm not, you wrote:

    Any persons on my property carrying a firearm (concealed or otherwise) will be asked to provide legal documentation that they are lawfully allowed to carry said firearm. Persons that refuse to provide legal documentation will be asked to leave and will be escorted off the property. Persons without legal documentation will be asked to leave and may face criminal charges in accordance with state law.
    To which I asked how will you know if it is concealed.

    You're arguing, we're trying to help you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'm self-employed, I'm still Licensed, Bonded and Insured. TN doesn't let me be licensed without being bonded and insured, and without the license the work isn't there.
    I was not aware of that. I am not sure that is the same in VA. It may be though.

    Would if be okay for someone to verify your credentials before they let you in there house...or would that be a breach of trust in your eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    But I'm not, you wrote:



    To which I asked how will you know if it is concealed.

    You're arguing, we're trying to help you out.
    As I said before: Concealed is concealed. IF I don't see it I obviously won't know. But if I see it I am going to question you about it.

    You guys are making it seem like I am going to have the FBI run a full background check and pat you down before you come into my house while I have a gun trained on you the entire time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    Would if be okay for someone to verify your credentials before they let you in there house...or would that be a breach of trust in your eyes?
    Firstly, they can verify anything regarding my license, bond and insurance, I have no issue at all with them wanting to assure themselves that I am up to date with my paperwork.

    Secondly, I have never advertised and get all my work via referrals, everybody who I work for knows that I am trustworthy and friendly, besides being a decent worker.
    I have two key rings - one for my house and truck, the other has about 30+ keys on it for houses all over Nashville that I was given to retain for future work.

    They can ask whatever they want, I'm squeaky clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post

    You guys are making it seem like I am going to have the FBI run a full background check and pat you down before you come into my house while I have a gun trained on you the entire time.
    Now you mention it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    Let me ask you this: What would you do if you hired Joe Plumber to come to your house and fix your toilet and when he bent over you noticed a .45 in his belt? For examples sake: You do not know Joe. You haven't used this company before. Your children are playing in the next room.
    I would ask, "Kimber or Springfield?" and have a nice conversation about his carry piece.

    Seriously, your attitude towards this seems similar to the Brady bunch. Just because someone is carrying a gun doesn't mean they're a threat. If a plumber wants to rob you, he could hit you in the back of the head with a pipe wrench and that would be that. I classify threats based on behavior. Bending over to fix my toilet is hardly threatening (unless he's got a really bad case of plumber's crack ).

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    Seriously, it seems like half of my posts and responses aren't showing up on the forums... I distinctly remember typing certain things and I CANNOT find them in this thread.

    Am I going crazy or is there something wrong with the forums?

    or is an admin screwing with me and deleting my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    Seriously, it seems like half of my posts and responses aren't showing up on the forums... I distinctly remember typing certain things and I CANNOT find them in this thread.

    Am I going crazy or is there something wrong with the forums?

    or is an admin screwing with me and deleting my posts.
    Posts can get deleted without warning if they are inflammatory, hostile or indecent.

    Maybe you posted something that was too argumentative or flamed another member.

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    Nothing I was saying was inflammatory, hostile, or indecent? If this is truly what is happening I kindly request to speak with the admin in question via PM.

    I have been trying really hard not to get too argumentative and I haven't flamed. I enjoy the debates on this forum. I am not trying to cause problems.

    I just keep thinking to myself "I have answer this question already!! or I have explained that already"...then I go back to find the post and its gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post
    Would if be okay for someone to verify your credentials before they let you in there house...or would that be a breach of trust in your eyes?
    If my job or occupation required me to be credentialed, I would gladly display said credentials to any customer that requested so.

    It is their right as a customer to expect compliance to such a request.

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