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    I go in a min of 6 different houses a day sometimes up to 10 there is no telling what i will run into to bad some of ya couldnt ride with me it would be a eye opener to being aware

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavity View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper View Post
    After an examiniation of the logs, I can tell you that this thread has not been edited in any way. Next time you have a concern, please PM me. Some of you are starting to get wiggy over thread editing conspiracy theories...
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    Well I would personally do not care if somebody comes armed into my house, since I treat any repair/maintainence man as such anyway. If I do not know you, how do I know you are not armed? (Consequently I am always very polite towards those that handle such repairs O.o ) Now if a weapon clears leather, that is a different ballgame entirely.

    There is no lost tactical advantage by having a peacefull armed stranger in your home, unless of course they know you are armed, then you lose some. But that then goes back to "concealed being concealed" does it not?

    I will not trade a (most likely) innocent person's freedom to defend themselves, for my percieved security. I mean I sure would not want to walk into a house, disarmed but have the owner (a stranger to me) armed (which he is until proven otherwise) so why would I force that upon someone else?

    The final choice for what one does in their home or job is individual. Just choose wisely, and based of your needs, not anyone else's

    My friend I am sorry you had to make a choice like that and lost some work, but do not worry I hear that there are now 3 whole weeks of summer in MI instead of 2 because of all the global warming, so plenty of time to find more jobs. (just joking)
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    Not cop bashing here.... Ok... been accused of that before... don't want to go there again.... Just pointing out facts here!

    LEO's are from the same human species as the rest of us folks... good and bad alike.

    Just because they have a polyester uniform and badge I don't assume anything.

    I worked EMS in a small town who had a LEO with an active felony warrant in another state for "passing bad checks" of all things! They worked in this small town as a uniformed LEO for 18 months before that little tid bit of information was discovered.

    Just this past spring a LEO from the neighboring town, population 8,000 flipped out and held brother officers from same dept. and our sheriff's dept at gunpoint with his AR-15, essentially begging for suicide by cop.

    He was just sentanced this month to 5 years supervised probation on a charge of felony assault which will be expunged if he fullfills his probation without further incident. Needless to say, he's no longer an LEO but he was at the time of the incident.

    I believe an LEO from Ohio is sitting in jail awaiting trial for Killing his pregnant girlfriend who was full term and ready to deliver any day, and stuffed her and fetus in shallow grave.

    No real point here except people automatically assume if you're a LEO you're ok to have a gun on you, but a guy coming to service your AC or fix your stove shouldn't be trusted if they have a gun and don't mention it because they have a ccw?

    Are you gonna check every cab driver before you get into a cab?

    You have to look at big picture folks... Don't you think service people have a chance of being robbed? A cab driver a chance of being murdered and robbed? A pizza boy getting robbed while delivering a pizza?

    Chances are if you hire a service person to come fix your TV and he steals your wallet... It isn't going to be a service person who does it at gunpoint! Pretty obvious who did it at that point.

    The ones who are gonna steal from you are the ones who are sneaky about it... so they can say... "Hey, I didn't do it... maybe you just misplaced it somewhere, why you blameing me?"

    They aren't the ones with a ccw permit and a guy wearing a gun in a $100 custom IWB holster.

    Just my reasoning.... and my opinion! YMMV

    And Please.... I'm not bashing cops! Just using a few examples to show how people assume things they necessarily shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White View Post
    I go in a min of 6 different houses a day sometimes up to 10 there is no telling what i will run into to bad some of ya couldnt ride with me it would be a eye opener to being aware

    Try doing my job... I go into peoples houses no matter where they are 24/7 for people in crisis.

    I've been in drug houses at 3 am. where they were cooking meth and had guns everywhere and people stoned and arguing for a kid with a fever call.

    Not every call for an ambulance gets an automatic LEO response. As a matter of fact, damn few do get LEO responses.

    I've been in on domestic violence calls at midnight that turned out to be down right attempted murder without police there. And trust me, emotions run high and just about anything within reach can be a weapon. (they weren't called in as a domestic violence call either)

    Here's a tip: People who live on the dark side, do know how to call for EMS assistance without letting the 911 dispatch know there's criminal activity going on. (imagine that, people lying to the dispatchers)

    Oh yeah, we call the cops... but that doesn't account for some tense moments awaiting their arrival. I have also said we have to go get the stretcher or some other piece of equipment and just got in the truck and left until police arrive.

    I know exactly what service people go through because that's what I do for a living. I'm a service person. Public safety maybe, but just a service person, none the less.
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    Just my .02 worth, but I believe that no one should have to have a permit to carry. I am at home, armed when ever a service man is scheduled to provide service at my home. I watch them from their arrival, eyeball them as they walk up to my door. If he looks likes a hairball, dirt bag, he doesn't get past my front door. I apply situational awareness to his arrival. If I feel that he is okay I let him in. Now if I see has a weapon on him, I engage him in conversation about weapons. IS he carrying a quality weapon in a quality holster? If he has a good weapon in a good holster he probably takes weapons seriously. Does he have a el cheapo POS weapon just tucked in his waistband? Yes it is my home, my rules. But if I complain about people and the government infringing on my right to bear arms, I am not going to infringe on someone else's right to carry. I firmly believe the we have the right to carry a CCW without a permit! Without government interference or approval. I am sure many on here will jump all over me about my lack of security and what not, but I am not going to be hypercritical (is that spelled right??) and say I can carry but everyone else in my house can't.
    You did the right thing by suggesting that he my be more comfortable with someone else servicing his A/C. Your actions are more proof that in general people who CCW are more patient, slower to anger, and less confrontational than the general public. Thank you for you professionalism and style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofspades View Post
    But there is a difference between someone asking to verify a repairman's license/insurance status (I think the license part is probably public record anyway), and asking them to verify non-public, non-work related information (carry permit).
    No, there is not.

    Firstly, it is my house and I make up the rules. If I see someone who I do not know is armed in my home I have every right to demand I see some credentials if I so choose or to escort him out.
    Secondly, in many states concealed handgun licenses ARE public record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttpete View Post
    Lbrombach, I'm in Dearborn. Email me your cell number, and I'll be happy to call you if I need service.

    I would have told the guy that he was lucky he got an honest guy and that maybe the next one would case his house and then come back and clean him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO

    If I lived closer, I'd have you come on over to tune up my A/C. When are done we could do a little .22 shootin in my basement range.
    I'll be happy to make the drive to Over Yonder, OH. I'll just start the meter from my driveway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robere View Post
    I just have to say, people have the right to react however they choose to to someone carrying a gun in their home. If I was made in someones home while working, depending on how upset they were, I'd put my gun in the truck and finish the job if they wanted me to. If they wanted me to leave, I'd leave. I believe in having the right to carry anywhere legal, but I also believe that a mans house is his castle and I respect that.
    Its a reality that some people aren't going to feel comfortable with a man in their home with a gun no matter what ( or any gun as far as that goes ). I live in a small town and if I refused to do the work because I was made, it would ruin my business, and fast.
    The answer is to carry a small gun while at work, conceal it well, the customer is none the wiser and I go home with paycheck. ( And they call me back next time ).
    Hey, we each get to make our own decisions. Fortunately, I live in a sprawling metropolitin area. Although I do get all my work by word of mouth. There are a very few people I would disarm for (people I know personally). I'd never disarm for a stranger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowsbane View Post
    The final choice for what one does in their home or job is individual. Just choose wisely, and based of your needs, not anyone else's
    Allow me to take a moment to defend KAVITY. It's his home, and while I'm in his home it's his rules (like while we're here, it's Bumpers' rules). I respect his desire to keep his home as secure as possible, but like here, if I don't like the rules I can leave. (I like the rules here fine, Bumper) That doesn't change that if I intended to do him some harm he'd never know about the threat until it was too late.

    I think I'd rather a stranger in my home carry open or be "made." Then I could plainly see him go for his gun. I might not even let him know that I know. Whats better than the element of suprise? Letting the enemy think HE has the element of suprise.


    My friend I am sorry you had to make a choice like that and lost some work, but do not worry I hear that there are now 3 whole weeks of summer in MI instead of 2 because of all the global warming, so plenty of time to find more jobs. (just joking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Try doing my job... I go into peoples houses no matter where they are 24/7 for people in crisis.

    I've been in drug houses at 3 am. where they were cooking meth and had guns everywhere and people stoned and arguing for a kid with a fever call.

    Not every call for an ambulance gets an automatic LEO response. As a matter of fact, damn few do get LEO responses.

    I've been in on domestic violence calls at midnight that turned out to be down right attempted murder without police there. And trust me, emotions run high and just about anything within reach can be a weapon. (they weren't called in as a domestic violence call either)

    Here's a tip: People who live on the dark side, do know how to call for EMS assistance without letting the 911 dispatch know there's criminal activity going on. (imagine that, people lying to the dispatchers)

    Oh yeah, we call the cops... but that doesn't account for some tense moments awaiting their arrival. I have also said we have to go get the stretcher or some other piece of equipment and just got in the truck and left until police arrive.

    I know exactly what service people go through because that's what I do for a living. I'm a service person. Public safety maybe, but just a service person, none the less.
    Oh man, I can't believe that occasionally I miss that job. I recall getting a "chest pain," getting there and thinking: "Of course your chest hurts. Theres a bullet in there!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBrombach View Post
    Hey, we each get to make our own decisions. Fortunately, I live in a sprawling metropolitin area. Although I do get all my work by word of mouth. There are a very few people I would disarm for (people I know personally). I'd never disarm for a stranger.
    Most of the people I work for , Ive done business with for years. 90% of the work I do are for doctors and the "upper class". I guess I should have stated " depending on who they were". My type of work doesn't take me to the bad neighborhoods and most of my work comes from referals.
    Thinking on the matter, I guess if I was a repairman going in all types of residents, I probably wouldn't disarm either. My brother works for a well known repair service and has told me of some nightmare homes he's been in.

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    Good keeping your wits and sharing kind words. if you ever would like to come to my world of investing in real estate, you're very welcome ask. I'll be carrying everywhere since you don't know what lurks inside those old homes, sometimes bums & sometimes crackheads.lol. angel.networthopportunity.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Wessonfan View Post
    Secondly, in many states concealed handgun licenses ARE public record.
    And the near universal opinion on this forum is that they shouldn't be. Look at the outcry whenever a local paper does something stupid like printing the names and addresses of CCW permit holders.

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