This is a discussion on Lost some business due to Carrying within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'll probably get some flak about it, but I believe the home owner AND the repairman/CC license holder both have valid points. As someone else ...
I'll probably get some flak about it, but I believe the home owner AND the repairman/CC license holder both have valid points. As someone else said, it's my home and my rules. If you don't agree with my views or the "rules of the house", you're welcome to leave. OTOH, if you have a valid CC license, you should be free to carry wherever it's legal... until you get made on private property. Then, it defaults to the house rules.
Personally, if I had been in the situation the original poster was in, I'd have made a better effort to conceal my "concealed" weapon, especially if prior experience has shown some people are nervous around an armed stranger in their home... though for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would be these days !!! If (despite my best efforts) I was made by a homeowner and he/she commented about it, I'd have told them I have a license to carry due to the nature of my business and the many "questionable" people and situations I find myself in. I'd then tell the client that if they are uncomfortable with me carrying a weapon, I'd be happy to lock it in my vehicle until the job is finished. After that it would be up to the customer. They can either ignore my weapon and let me get on with the job, ask me to lock the gun in my vehicle until the job is finished - which I would do since this IS his/her residence - or if they have a total meltdown over the situation, I'd simply do as the poster did. I'd politely tell him or her they would probably be more comfortable with someone else and then leave. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose.
"... Americans... we want a safe home, to keep the money we make and shoot bad guys." -- Denny Crane
I can live with that... Not unreasonable. I do agree the homeowner certainly has his perrogative not to allow guns on his property.
I am not of the ilk that thinks just because a man coming to work on my stuff has a gun means he's a threat. On the contrary, I totally understand the need to ccw by service people!
I just keep an eye on everyone who comes to work at my residence and I am armed myself.
As a matter of fact, if I spot a gun on a service person in my house (which I never have before), I would simply ask him if he gets hassled much by people who see his gun flash. Then I would probably recommend methods of concealment that may work better for them.
Very polite, very professional, we both have guns... no big deal.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
"When a man attempts to deal with me by force, I answer himóby force.
"... No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had the right to choose: his own." -John Galt, Atlas Shrugged
I know.. I was attempting to make a point. The presence (or lack) of a concealed carry permit has zero affect on whether or not the repairman intends to harm you, or whether or not you intend to harm him.
I'm going to clarify what I'm trying to say (and LBrombach, I just realized, I never mentioned that I think you handled it correctly).
I realize that a homeowner has every right not to want someone to have a gun on their property (although, to be honest.. don't you think that its just a bit hypocritical of us, as gun owners to be saying that only we should have guns? Who are we? Rosie's bodyguards? ).
The point I am trying to make, is that we, as pro-gun, pro-2A, pro-self defense people should be the last people to assume that someone is a threat simply because they have a gun. We (or at least, I) can't sit here and complain about the calling the cops, and assuming we are bad because we have guns, and then turn around and react the same way to another law abiding citizen.
If the plumber or HVAC dude is a threat, he's a threat whether or not he has a gun. We should be observing his behavior, and using all of our situational awareness 'tricks' to make the threat decision, not making the decision based solely on the presence of a firearm. And keep in mind, the repair guy is likely doing the same to us, since for all he knows, there really isn't anything wrong with our AC, and we just want his truck and tools.
I wouldn't be comfortable with an illegally-carried gun in my home, but I think there's too much tactical disadvantage in asking to see a license--If they are deciding whether to cause trouble, you may trigger it. If they leave without trouble, they probably weren't going to cause any in the first place.
If I've got strangers in my house I'm armed. If I spotted something I might start a conversation something like "Is that a <best guess at the gun brand or holster type>? I carry an XD40 in a Crossbreed--Great combination, I can wear it all day without a problem. Did you get your license in our county? My wife did, and hers took forever--I got mine from Montgomery, and had mine a month before hers came through..." and continue babbling as if I were completely unconcerned, while letting him know Wife and I are both armed.
Everyday people carry without a permit, drive without a license and do all kinds of drugs. Its ideal to think the way you are, but its not realistic.
If your not patting people down and running them through a metal detector at the door, you are running the chance of someone bringing in something you dont want there. Even if you do, I promise you will miss something at some point in time.
My point is, and I think the others too, that when you invite anyone in you are accepting them as they are. So be cautious who you let in in the first place.
"Just blame Sixto"
I'll continue to assume that all folks are armed, and that I'll do my vetting well in advance of anyone being invited in. Works for me.
If I were a repairman in your house, and you demanded I show you documentation of something completely unrelated to my credentials/insurance/etc related to the job, you'd be looking for a new repairman.
I guess I'm just not understanding your hypocrisy about being (presumably) a Pro-2A, Pro-Gun, Pro-Carry person who (again, presumably) wants to see the have a better acceptance of people carrying guns and not get panic/scared/worried that just because there is a gun, that it's a)illegal and b)carried by someone who wants to kill them. And yet, enforce that exact same mindset about someone who you have hired (and presumably, done some research on) to come into your house and do a job.
Are you saying that you'd be ok with random person X coming up to you on the street and demanding to see your carry permit?
This threads been getting warmer and warmer, we're going into a full moon too...
Might be time to agree to disagree, like gentlemen.
Pete - you got in first.
Yeah - let's keep things reasonable and lower the adversarial aspect. Agree to disagree and all that. It's often not so much what is said as how
Chris - P95
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When some one says something like that to me or has that attitude its time to say
opps got the wrong toolbox walk out and let them worry about getting it fixed and if they say something about not getting it fixed today the
hey my stuff still works comment works well
my job is attitude driven. I'm driven to split when you give your attitude to me .. then if its a warranty call no problem let me reroute you fro say 3 weeks out call the boss and tell him customer was hostile i refuse to return and well someone will see ya in 3 weeks
Sorry if you can't understand im looking to protect myself from you same as you are trying to protect yourself me.. To radical a concept huh?
if a maintenance person comes into my home....I am armed...I usually do not carry while I am in my house relaxing, etc. But if someone comes to the door, or someone comes in my house, I am armed. If he is armed, and I notice it, I will confront him, if nothing less than to let him know I am vigilant. A little small talk, and end of discussion.
I don't blame the OP for carrying....going into peoples house can be a scary thing, especially basements, etc....remember pulp fiction? LOL seriously, you never know.
I commend you on how you handled the situation. I recently had a patient leave my office because I had a poster advertising Scholastic Clay Target Program at our local sportsmans club in my foyer. I guess she thought the kids on the poster were going to shoot her.
--people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.--
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