LEO drops his guard

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    LEO drops his guard

    About a month ago I was returning to my car as a marked county unit pulled into the adjacent space. A young man in street clothes got out, closed the door, then caught himself and returned to the seat to strap on his glock OWB. As we passed I asked what kind of ammunition the dept. issues, if any. As he was explaining "federal... whatever" he reached back, dropped the magazine from his service weapon, and presented it for my inspection. We continued with a brief, polite conversation where I concluded "I appreciate your candor, but never do that again." I hope he didn't take it harshly, but with a good swipe, his mag could be 15 feet away and have only one round to fend off an attacker. Hope this isn't SOP with new members to the local PD.
    I explained it to my uncle and tried to get an explanation: "All cops like to talk about two things, cars and guns"
    Thats the best I could get...

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    Showing a spare mag would be OK but to drop his mag to show it?

    I am all for sharing info on gun stuff but for sure that could be a risky move in front of the wrong person! I hope he realized and got your message!
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    As a LEO I wouldn't even show a Joe Bow citizen my spare mag.
    For what reason when the question is easy enough to answer verbally.
    As well handing over the loaded mag results in an instant a weighty & effective bludgeon which could be used against the officer, who's guard as based on his actions is way down if not completely off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    As a LEO I wouldn't even show a Joe Bow citizen my spare mag.
    For what reason when the question is easy enough to answer verbally.
    As well handing over the loaded mag results in an instant a weighty & effective bludgeon which could be used against the officer, who's guard as based on his actions is way down if not completely off.

    - Janq
    And this guy is the one who might be sent by the dispatcher when someone's attacking your wife somewhere...

    He seems to have all the tactical understanding and intuition of a ticket-taker at a movie house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    And this guy is the one who might be sent by the dispatcher when someone's attacking your wife somewhere...

    He seems to have all the tactical understanding and intuition of a ticket-taker at a movie house.

    thanks for saying that for me.......i will make sure when i start looking for a new state and city to move, not to go there....which is where again???

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    If you asked nice enough...he may have handed you his weapon....
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    Do Glocks have a magazine disconnect in them?

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    I hope he is not the brightest bulb in the local PDs box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titleist View Post
    A young man in street clothes got out, closed the door, then caught himself and returned to the seat to strap on his glock OWB.
    His first mistake was not keeping his weapon ON him at all times. Handing off his ammo was just more stupidity...sounds like his mindset really needs some work.
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    If you asked nice enough...he may have handed you his weapon....
    Not to hijack the thread but, a friend and I witnessed a domestic dispute and asked the female cop to see her taser. Wouldn't you know it she actually handed it to him...

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    I had an LEO actually hand me his LOADED p226 from his duty rig, when I asked him about it. (He did not know I was armed.) I politely dropped the mag, put it in my pocket and dropped the round from the chamber. Lifted my shirt and showed him by IWB g23 and told him It was a good thing I was a good guy. His partner was standing there with his hands in his pockets. Granted we are friends and I am no threat to him or the partner, and we were in a very closed setting away from public eyes. It still unsettled me that he just handed the thing over....especially LOADED. I am in non uniform investigations, not traditional LE but state employed. It kind of freaked out his partner when he saw I was armed. He stated he would have had no clue had I not told them. Some people just are not as cautious as others, I guess.
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    I have had a LEO friend hand me his unloaded gun while standing at the fire station. He knew we all were armed, my fire station is better protected than the police station at shift change, and I asked if I could see it because I was interested in possibly buying one. He knew if there was an issue he would have his brothers from his side just as quick as his own.

    To the general public this is bad form but not as bad when with friends.
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    It's not often you run into a LEO who lives in condition white but you found one.

    I think the term used to describe LEO's like this is the "Officer Friendly" syndrome. They more often than not end up getting hurt because they are far, far too trusting. Good thing you are a good guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nextlevelcell View Post

    thanks for saying that for me.......i will make sure when i start looking for a new state and city to move, not to go there....which is where again???
    Yeah, this wasn't Arrestafield was it? If you're from here, you'll know why it's called that.
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    You all should go visit Nantucket, MA (island off Cape Cod). Very expensive place, full of rich people, trendy shops, seafood, pedestrians...

    The downtown area is dense with people in the summer season. The population on-island is made up of long-timer year-round residents; commuters and day-trippers from the mainland; immigrants who come from abroad to work for the summer (the money is good); construction and trades workers.

    There are plenty of cops standing around on corners, patrolling on bikes. The crime rate on the island is very low, I get the sense, and I'm told (my brother lives there year-'round) that much of the crime is contained within the migrant-worker-type population. (What I was told is that some of the high incidence crimes are bicycle and car theft. Believe it or not, it's common for Jamaican workers to get drunk, and steal a car and drive closer to home rather than walk, according to what I was told.)

    Anyway, violent crime is very low there. But those cops I mentioned? They are UNARMED. Many/most of them are fresh-faced "interns" from the mainland academies, doing a sort of work-study toward graduation. I don't know if they're not allowed to be armed, or if maybe the Nantucket selectmen have decided they don't like image that armed cops on each corner would project to the hoity-toity people who jam that island with their Land Rovers each summer.

    I was there from Saturday to Thursday, and didn't see a single gun on a single cop. It was weird.

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