etiquette for carrying into someone's home
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July 2nd, 2007 10:54 PM
Usually, when I go to peoples homes, my gun is carried in a chest mounted elastic band shoulder holster. It is concealed, it will not come out and in no way could it ever become an issue. In Missouri, there is no requisite law demanding I inform people I carry in private residences, therefore, I don't.
I do this all the time, no one is the wiser. Even the few people who know I ccw never ask, never see, and I never tell. I go to very few peoples homes that I know are anti-gun or anti-ccw. Again, even they, never ask, never see, and I never tell.
Now I am fully aware EVERYONE has the right to make the rules in their own home. I respect that, I have no problem with that. Like P95 says... If someone doesn't stipulate "no guns in my house" prior to me entering, then no one knows I have one. If they were to make such a demand, then of course I would abide by their wishes. Everyone has the right to make their own rules for their castle. I wouldn't carry there if they asked me not to.
Now, I wouldn't be going back very often, if at all... and depending on how important that person is in my life, I may try and state my case and educate them at a later time.
Bottom Line: Respect peoples wishes. Concealed means concealed so I don't see any reason to muddle the waters by volunteering information you are not required by law to reveal. For those who live in states where you are required by law to inform private homeowners you have a gun... abide by the laws, lobby to have the law changed and make preparations to move to a different state if you have problems being mandated to tell every Tom, Dick and Harry you have a gun.
Great advice and attitude!
Originally Posted by P95Carry
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
July 3rd, 2007 02:17 AM
depends who's there, and how well i know them. if there was any doubt that the people might mind, i would not carry in their home.
July 3rd, 2007 02:31 AM
If my sister said she did not want me to carry in her house I would make sure she did not know I was carrying in her house. If she did not want me rolling around on the floor with her kids with my gun on my hip I would walk into the House and walk to the refrigerator and take the gun off and put it on top of the refrigerator.
I would then tell my nieces and or nephews there is a gun on top of the refrigerator don't touch it.
Then I would just enjoy my visit.
I would tell my sister I refuse to leave my gun in the car.
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
"Carrying a gun is a social responsibility."
July 3rd, 2007 09:06 AM
I relate this issue to be the same type as an encounter with an evangelistic relative.Some things are better left unsaid as there can be no meeting of the minds in certain instances.Rarely are any of these topics a valid reason to estrange yourself from family, yet it happens quite often.I'd say work out a compromise.You likely won't encounter a BG in your brother's home and you likely wouldn't shoot any of his family by accident.Just lock the gun in your car and end the dispute.JMHO Chuck.
July 3rd, 2007 09:14 AM
I go with the don't ask, don't tell rule, after all it is called concealed carry.
July 3rd, 2007 09:17 AM
Don't ask, don't tell.
If it comes up before you arrive, and the homeowner objects, don't go.
If it comes up after you get there, and the homeowner objects, leave. Don't come back.
"...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."
Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.
July 3rd, 2007 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by Breakdaddy
That law is messed up!
If I lived in Arkansas, I would be out of the real estate business, because I sure as heck wouldn't be asking homeowners if I can carry in their homes when I'm showing it.
Wow, and I thought Ohio's laws were oppressive! You guys need to get that changed.
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July 3rd, 2007 10:49 AM
Agreed...That is the conclusion I've come to. I spoke with him and next time we're together, he agreed to go to range with me. A good first step I think.
Originally Posted by Mike from Texas
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes...that way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
July 3rd, 2007 11:00 AM
Sounds like your brother is reasonably intelligent, if misguided. Baby steps. If he can learn to see firearms for the simple tools they are, he'll come to realize that, unattended, they don't to anything that a hammer wouldn't do. Once he's comfortable with the shooting, loading/unloading, cleaning part, perhaps he'll see how secure a gun is in the holster, how unlikely it is for one to magically jump the tracks and harm anyone, etc.
Originally Posted by PAExplorer
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: Why the Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
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July 3rd, 2007 05:23 PM
Glad to see a friendly resolution appears in the making.
Originally Posted by PAExplorer
Luckily, in Virginia, we don't have to inform before entering a home. Also, lucky for me, everyone I care about just happens to be progun.
If someone else asked me to leave my gun at home, I would, along with me!
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
July 3rd, 2007 06:11 PM
I believe I would assure him that I would comply but also inform him that I am very leery of leaving it in my car. I would then, as someone else suggested, ask him if there was someplace safe in the house that I could leave the UNLOADED gun. Then let him see me unload it and put the ammo in my pocket and the gun in the safe place.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence in their behalf. - George Orwell
July 3rd, 2007 06:16 PM
Some have said, "Don't ask, don't tell"; others have said, "Don't visit, then. Abide by his rule."
I think a hybrid of the two is called for (though I also lean a bit toward D.A.D.T.):
Havegunjoe said, "Leave it in the car, visit infrequently. When he asks why tell him it is because of his lack of trust in you. When he claims you are being paranoid direct him ..."
I think that's best. Let him come to you to find out why you won't visit anymore. Then let him have it with your (truly) righteous indignation that he treats you as a pariah just because you choose to arm yourself, and he unthinkingly acts as though there is no reason to distinguish between YOU being armed and some street CRIMINAL being armed.
But most importantly, let him know that because you carry CONCEALED, you could easily come over with your gun on and unless he patted you down -- which would be unforgivably insulting to you -- he would never know you were armed. And tell him that even in light of this understanding, you still choose to abide by his wishes, but it means that you will not be coming to visit.
If he can live with that, fine. But once you lay it out, and inform him that you're insulted by his refusal to distinguish between YOU being armed and some dangerous CRIMINAL being armed, the ball will be in his court.
July 3rd, 2007 07:08 PM
The owner of a house has the right to establish the rules of his or her house for visitors. If I know in advance that the owner does not want guns in their house, then IMO it is disrespectful to dellberately violate those rules. If I am not aware of their position on this issue then I follow my usual rule of carrying concealed and don't tell anyone other my family and other friends who I know also carry. My choice is to respect their wishes or not visit.
It is no different then this Forum. The owner has established rules of conduct. If you are unable or unwilling to abide by those rules, you have two choices. Don't post, but only lurk, or ask that your membership be terminated.
Last edited by Ron; July 3rd, 2007 at 09:06 PM.
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July 3rd, 2007 07:18 PM
He was right to just leave. The homeowner was getting himself cranked up, and it only would have escalated further. There are lots more jobs in the world.
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July 3rd, 2007 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Echo_Four
Echo...You are the man. I love the way you think...
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