My son is an EMT and yesterday was his first shooting victim

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    Answer a call... get there to find a mother dead with a single self inflicted gunshot wound to the head, a 4 year old crying begging you to make his mommy talk to him because he thinks she's mad at him.
    That was almost enough to make me walk away and never look back.
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    Your son could take a page from the Detroit EMS playbook; they're not allowed to carry either, but the rigs are some of the most heavily armed ambulances outside of Iraq. You have to be alive to get fired.

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    I guess, I don't think I understand the heavily armed thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitMedic View Post
    I guess, I don't think I understand the heavily armed thing...
    If carrying makes sense for anyone, it makes even greater sense for those who find themselves more-frequently in harm's way. Heavy or light, it would make more sense. I'd be willing to bet the risks of being in a dangerous situation are 100:1 worse for a paramedic than the average Joe, simply given the numbers (and types) of people encountered during the course of a day.
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    I see shootings almost everyday in the Trauma Center I work in... I think the one that stands out most in my mind was a fella that was angry anyway because the would not refill his Viagra prescription.. It was too early on his insurance plan at work to refill the prescription.

    Anyway some kid had pulled in front of him in traffic and the rage was on...

    He passed the kid on a bridge and kept on going pretty fast til he came to the end of the bridge...

    He stopped his car and got out to confront this kid when he arrives to the end of the bridge..

    Kid saw this fella get out so he at once slammed on his breaks on his end of the bridge and brought out a handsun and shot in the air.. Well when the bullet came down it went right smak dab into this other guys eyeball and killed him. I would say talk about unlucky.

    There are many I could talk about but the odds of this happening are slim to none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    If carrying makes sense for anyone, it makes even greater sense for those who find themselves more-frequently in harm's way. Heavy or light, it would make more sense. I'd be willing to bet the risks of being in a dangerous situation are 100:1 worse for a paramedic than the average Joe, simply given the numbers (and types) of people encountered during the course of a day.
    But in many cases, doing the job is antithetical to proper retention technique. You'd essentially be offering up your firearm to patients and bystanders on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    But in many cases, doing the job is antithetical to proper retention technique. You'd essentially be offering up your firearm to patients and bystanders on a regular basis.

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    This is true. Try maintaining siuational awareness while working a ________(insert gory call here), I never could. There have been times I wished I had a gun, for sure, but in MI, I'd be breaking the law every time I took a patient into the hospital.
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    video link:
    http://www.news4jax.com/video/13590789/index.html

    print story:
    http://www.news4jax.com/news/13590541/detail.html

    Our engine company (3 man) was first on scene last week for what turned out to be three GSW victims, including one trauma arrest and one child. In addition to the three trauma pts we had two more who met cardiac alert criteria for a total of five patients in need of transport. Two LEOs were with us but the shooter was still on the loose and the scene was definately not secure. It was pretty stressful until more help arrived and outnumbered the victims.

    I responded to a seperate call for EMS assistance and found three stabbed victims and the "stabber" still onscene. I asked his permission to treat the victims. We came to an understanding about how maybe they needed stabbing but I had a job to do and wouldn't bother him as long as he didn't bother me. It worked out well in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    If carrying makes sense for anyone, it makes even greater sense for those who find themselves more-frequently in harm's way. Heavy or light, it would make more sense. I'd be willing to bet the risks of being in a dangerous situation are 100:1 worse for a paramedic than the average Joe, simply given the numbers (and types) of people encountered during the course of a day.

    You are correct sir... MAST ambulance in KCMO in the past three years have had 3 medics shot! Two were killed.

    The two killed was an ambush killing over a domestic situation with the female medics estranged ex-husband who shot and killed her and her partner while sitting in their ambulance. (Another example of how TPO/TRO's do not work!)

    The other incident happened two months earlier. They responded with fire dept. to a house explosion/fire. While on scene, the homeowner who was heavily armed started firing at the fire and EMS crews. They believe she was shot with a .50 cal Barrett rifle after the round passed through the ambulance and struck her in the chest as she was attempting to take cover behind the rig. Firefighters braved more gunfire as KCPD laid down cover fire so the firefighters could rescue her and get her to safety.

    It was a critical wound which IIRC came close to, if not nicking a ventricle of her heart and also gave her a pneumothorax (collapsed lung). She survived and remains on the job today! (Mary Seymour was just coming on the job with MAST as I was leaving back in 1985 so I only met her a time or two. The two who were killed, I did not know personally)

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    Providers Murdered in Station

    An EMT and a paramedic for Kansas City’s MAST system were shot and killed April 3 in what was described as an “ambush.”

    The bodies of medic Katherine Malone, 30, and EMT Tye Brown, 33, were found at the fire station in Edwardsville, KS. Police quickly identified Malone’s ex-husband, Matthew Bass, 37, as the killer, but Bass committed suicide before he could be taken into custody.

    Malone and Brown, who were each shot several times, were living together in nearby Johnson County. Malone had obtained a protection order against Bass. She and Brown were alone in the fire station the night they were shot.

    “He worried about me,” Brown’s brother, Devlin Brown, a Kansas City firefighter, said. “I never worried about him.”

    Another MAST medic, Mary Seymour, was shot twice in the chest while responding to a call in February, but survived and is expected to recover fully. Malone and Brown were the first MAST workers killed in the line of duty.

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    Mary is a Good Friend of Mine. One thing she always wants everyone to know is how thankful she is for everyone's thoughts and prayers..

    A Piece of good news is that she had one of the shell's removed a while back.

    And she hasn't missed a lick when it comes to her job.. A Fine Medic!
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    Here we had one of our medics shot in the arm, he has since recovered and returned to work, then the very next week two medics were held at gunpoint for about 2 hours, one returned the next week and the other is still off on stress... man I wish we could carry.

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    My ambulance has been shot at and I have been attacked more times than I care to remember... One fun story involved a partner of mine who had been held-up so many times for his narcotics that he filled an empty morphine with narcan (a drug that blocks opiate receptors) and happily handed it over to the next mugger/junkie. Needless to say they picked the guy up a little while later having a seizure in the park. Seems that instant withdrawal didn’t agree with him.
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    Yes mean but slightly funny.

    My father was a firefighter for 16 years. One of the calls he responded to was a compact/import that decided to wedge itself under a semi hauling tomatos. He crawled in through the window to check vitals and found the guy was missing half his head. He told everyone to slow down, don't get hurt, as he was already dead. As he extracted himself from the car a 3x3 chunck of this guys skull stuck to his turnouts. He said, "Oh, I think you need this more than I do and placed it on the dashboard of the car".

    Now the sick/humorous part. They had a rookie out on his first call. My dad said, as he put the chunk on the dash he glanced at the rookie and his face was pale white, the kid took a step back and of course stepped on one of the tomatoes that the truck had spilt. The kid looked down and saw RED squish out from under his boot and almost passed out. The next morning they found his boots and turnouts on the driveway and never heard from him again.

    I know, Poor kid but it is kinda funny.

    Dad was an EMT, Firefighter, and Emergancy Room Nurse. I never did grow up learning that talking about a bowel resection at the dinner table was inappropriate.

    I just want to say thankyou, and thankyou to your families that have to put up with your adrenaline junkie butts. :P
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    I did rescue worker on a Hovercraft for 8 years, I never got a call involving a child badly hurt or killed, I am very thankfully for that, all my friends that have still carry it with them. My buddy extracted 4 people from an overturned fishing boat, as the pilot and first officer had to drive the hovercraft back, he was stuck choosing who to do CPR on, he choose the kid, but none of them made it, he was never the same after that call. Normally we would dive/ do CPR for up to hour after the last known time before they went under, after that we went into recovery mode, although sometimes we did CPR because of the person's kids were watching and they needed to know everything that could have been done was.

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