MSU Clarifies Weapons Policy

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    MSU Clarifies Weapons Policy

    Well, this is a step backwards.

    Typical university head-in-the-sand thinking.

    From the Bozeman, Montana, Daily Chronicle.

    MSU to clarify policy on handling weapons

    By GAIL SCHONTZLER Chronicle Staff Writer

    In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, Montana State University is revising its firearms policy to clarify how weapons must be handled on campus and which weapons are banned.


    “We decided we needed to be more specific,” Glenn Puffer, associate dean of students, said Monday.

    “It really isn't a big change - just more clear, we hope,” said campus Police Chief Robert Putzke.

    The old policy was shorter and vague, they said.

    The new, proposed policy spells out a long list of weapons that are banned - from rifles, shotguns and handguns to swords, nunchucks and other martial arts weapons. The proposal also bans real-looking toy guns and pepper spray, except for small, personal protection dispensers.

    The university is seeking public comment on the proposed policy until Friday.

    The proposal also states clearly that even people who have permits to carry concealed weapons in public aren't allowed to bring their weapons on campus or into campus buildings. That's in line with state law, which suspends the privilege of concealed weapons in state buildings.

    The policy also clarifies how weapons can be stored. Students living in campus dormitories can't keep weapons in their rooms, but must store them in the dorm's storage lockers.

    Students or employees living off campus who are transporting a firearm in their vehicle must keep the weapon unloaded, cased and out of sight.

    “The gun-rack with the gun loaded in the back of the pickup is not going to fly,” Puffer said.

    However, if a student or employee is heading out on a hunting trip, having a rifle or gun is OK if it's unloaded, in a case and hidden from sight.

    Putzke said that's intended to prevent firearms thefts as much as anything. While MSU hasn't had any problem in the past four years with people bringing concealed weapons on campus, it has had problems with weapons thefts, he said.

    After the Virginia Tech shooting in April, when a student shot and killed 32 people in classroom and dorm buildings before killing himself, MSU President Geoff Gamble asked Allen Yarnell, vice president for student affairs, to look into how MSU would handle a similar situation.

    Yarnell convened a small committee, which identified three areas of concern, including the firearms policy, Puffer said.

    The group is still looking into a campus-wide notification system in the event of an emergency, and an emergency response plan for keeping people secure inside buildings.

    “We're really good at getting people out of buildings for fires and earthquakes,” Puffer said. “We, and most institutions, have not looked at how to secure the whole campus against an external threat, a shooter.”




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    “We, and most institutions, have not looked at how to secure the whole campus against an external threat, a shooter.”
    <Cough> but if that ''external'' threat has gotten in to become an''internal'' shooter threat .... then what! This hardly addresses the actual threat we saw at V Tech.

    As for the prevention of ingress of an external shooter - might as well put that on the ''impossible'' list.

    Where does that leave everything? - gun free zone as usual. No means of repelling an active threat that is already inside.

    "Puffer" seems an appropriate name for someone who seemingly fails to see the real issue.
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    So in other words they're making it EASIER for a BG to do bad things, OUTSTANDING let's give them a big round of applause for being totally blind and stupid.

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    Thumbs down

    Students are still unprotected, disarmed and criminalized for having any means of self-defense. Effectively, they'd rather have dead students than a bad image. That's much clearer than before. Kudos, I guess.
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    college campuses and universities are businesses (even state funded), make no mistake. their goal is to make money, get bigger, gain power, gain prestige, etc...just like any other business.

    they understand that if they make policy to allow concealed weapons carry, many parents wouldn't allow their kids to go there, and they would lose "business". be pissed and yell at school administrators all you want, it will do you no good.

    this brings us to the real root of the problem, the ignorance of the general population. nothing will change in schools until we as a people keep our heads out of the sand.

    same thing with that mall shooting. those "no guns" signs make the sheeple feel better, so they'll stay.

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    The university is seeking public comment on the proposed policy until Friday.
    Speak now or forever hold your peace.
    Don't speak up and never hold your piece.
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    I definitely suggest you speak out and write your paper, congressman, ect. I will be writing the Collegiate Times (the VT newspaper) next year regularly until SOMETHING happens.

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    I firmly believe that allowing those individuals who have qualified for their permits to carry in such places is the only way to prevent and/or deal with tragedies such as Virginia Tech, as the Israelis have already learned long ago; and I believe that most here on this forum agree.

    I shudder to think, however, what we as a nation will have to go through before most of the rest of the country comes to the same inescapable conclusion....


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    I am very surprised at this kind of attitude in Montana. But then they are trying to attract sheeple from around the country.
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    After the Virginia Tech shootings I was in a local Gun Shop when the phone rang. It was the Chancellor of a Community University calling to arrange group CCW training & certification for every (that's EVERY) Professor & Administrator at the school who wanted one. The University was picking-up the tab. He & the Board of Regents had rationally decided that one responsible, armed individual can STOP a murderous madman. Why is that so HARD for otherwise intelligent people to understand?!? I just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    After the Virginia Tech shootings I was in a local Gun Shop when the phone rang. It was the Chancellor of a Community University calling to arrange group CCW training & certification for every (that's EVERY) Professor & Administrator at the school who wanted one. The University was picking-up the tab. He & the Board of Regents had rationally decided that one responsible, armed individual can STOP a murderous madman. Why is that so HARD for otherwise intelligent people to understand?!? I just don't get it.
    What's the name of this particular school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechGuy View Post
    I am very surprised at this kind of attitude in Montana. But then they are trying to attract sheeple from around the country.
    Yep, Montana is being colonized by the moonbats & they are trying to take over and push their moonbat ideas and liberal feel good laws on the locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chooie View Post
    What's the name of this particular school?
    More to the point, how much is their out-of-state tuition?

    OK, I'm not likely to move, but maybe they have some online courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Carr View Post
    Yep, Montana is being colonized by the moonbats & they are trying to take over and push their moonbat ideas and liberal feel good laws on the locals.
    Not even close! Bozeman/Gallatin County (home of MSU) and Missoula/Missoula County (home of UofM) do attract a sizeable segment of the liberal/ultra liberal left, because of the universities and the pricey resort properties in the Gallatin Valley. These two counties are solid blue on the political map.

    That still leaves 54 other counties, 52 of which are solid red on the political map. Moonbats are a distinct minority and they know it.

    Here's a link to the reply to the MSU weapons policy by the Montana Shooting Sports Association.

    http://marbut.com/MSU/
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    Moonbats?

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