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This is a discussion on Can you spot one? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Betty raises some good points, although I think she was followed by a rookie, her ted bundy theory does hold weight if one pays attention. ...

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    Betty raises some good points, although I think she was followed by a rookie, her ted bundy theory does hold weight if one pays attention.

    Is the perp too well dressed for the environment? A little to eager to engage in conversation? ( nervous chatter ) A tad too innocent, yet insistent? Asks a lot of questions?

    Like I said before...........listen to your instincts folks. They warn you for a reason.

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    Question Two Hugs and a Kiss

    Quote Originally Posted by rpgrigsby
    I only hope that if I get into a lead throwing contest with one they can even feel it if I hit 'em. Not good!
    Remember the theory behind the FAILURE TO STOP drill: Two to the chest and one to the head makes 'em DEAD.
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    I had a situation not to long ago that got me a tad spun up. I stopped for gas in a location I had never been before. I had my Makarov in the center console of the car. I pulled up and as I was cleaning up the trash in the car I noticed a guy doing a ghetto type walk towards my car. At this point all the bells in my head were going off, kind of a "Danger, Danger Will Robinson" type feeling. As I kept cleaning out my car he was glaring at me and menacingly walking towards me. I could only see his eyes and his gate as it was dark and he was black (don't take this as a racist comment in any way). At this point I just could tell something was wrong and I sat up and grabbed my Makarov and started to slide in into the inner pocket of my jacket. I made sure not to flash the gun, but he seemed to pickup on the action. His eyes got real wide and he did an about face and scurried off. Needless to say that my heart was racing as he got within about 10 feet of me.

    I have never been the paranoid type and tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, but my gut told me something was horribly wrong in this situation. I have never been so glad in my life that I had a pistol with me as I did at that moment. This solidified my opinion that I should be armed at all times and have been ever since except when I go to places where they disarm the citizenry like NJ and NY. All I know is I am greatful that I did not have to use my gun, but even more greatful I had it with me.

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    Awareness made you the victor in that scenario, dhomoney. When the bells go off, we better all be listening. They're rarely wrong....
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    I don't like to do errands in banks and stores so frequently my wife is kind to me and I just wait in the truck. At the time I was shooting about every day at the range and would wear a baseball style hat with Wilson Combat on it or something like it pulled down to protect my face and a dungree jacket with the collar up to help shield my neck when shooting. So that pretty much became my standard dress during the day. One day as I was waiting in my little pickup at the bank for the wife I noticed a women approaching me on the drivers side, at the same time seen a guy to the right rear of the truck back a few yards. She had a stance like you would be prepared to draw a weapon and as I rolled the window down some she asked what type of mens shaving stuff do I use we are doing a survey for a company. I suppose my response being shove off more or less was an OK one and they moved on. You see we have a fair number of banks robbed and I bet they were a special bank detail but no doubt about it they were prepared for bear!
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    dhomoney,

    I too am glad you listened to your instincts. It seemed the perp listened to his as well and you were both spared some............unpleasantries.

    I say, stay prepared, stay sharp and nice job!

    Mike

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    The biggest tip I have is look for anyone smoking a pipe. Everyone I know, and I know a few that smoke a pipe are carrying concealed.

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    Everyone I know, and I know a few that smoke a pipe are carrying concealed.
    Hahahahaha - dang it Corey - welcome dude! Good to see you - even if you are bigotted against us pipe smokers LOL.

    I guess that's only the first ''dig'' toward me - stand by folks - there'll be more!

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    Looking at someones eyes can tell you a million things. Shoplifters have HUGE problems with eye movements and contact.

    The only downside to having the "gift" of reading eyes is that the truly derranged look calm and normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldo0506
    The only downside to having the "gift" of reading eyes is that the truly derranged look calm and normal.
    Know what I found while I was a Probation & Parole Officer? Hardened felons tend to have "emotionless" eyes, too. They are total manipulators and can turn "on" and "off" depending on the "need" to show emotion to gain leverage. Cons lie even when telling the truth is obviously in their own best interests.
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    I don't have the same experience many of you have and the experience I do have I'd rather forget. I learned some things from your comments and knew a few too.

    I always check my orientation, i.e., where my back is. In strange cities overseas I might pull up and lean back against a wall and just, well, look around and especially back along the path I'd come.

    I've always practiced looking directly into the eyes of someone who catches my attention for whatever reason. I'm never in bars and don't drink, but in my old days, looking at someone like that could rile up a drunk, but I think eye to eye contact with someone checking you out can disarm them.

    Now the next one I don't recommend casually, however, I've been in a few situations when it was me and a group of folks who are like I used to be. Instead of seeking an exit, I began to witness to them about the Lord. Again, not a strategy anyone might use but it's actually opened doors and made me welcome in areas that I felt very vulnerable in.

    I also believe most threats could have been avoided by choices made earlier in the day/evening by choosing different activities, places, or people to be with. It's kind of like accidents, you can break the change by making a different choice before the accident happens. I know a BG can show up anywhere, anytime, but they typically don't. If you think about it, BG's are normally hunting, just like I hunt deer. So if I avoid BG hunting grounds I'm less likely to encounter one. I've killed deer at 12:00 noon but by far the majority were early morning or late evening. BG's will statistically tend to hunt more at certain times than others. Are we ever totally safe? NO, but, choices we make lead us into place, times, or into the company of individuals who put us at greater risk.

    I don't want to offend anyone, but if you don't go to bars or around groups that are drinking you're less likely to encouter trouble. If you're not out in bad parts of town at midnight, you're better off.

    We all make many choices that add up to lifestyles; lifestyles have certain degrees of risk. I think about avoiding higher risk times, places and people now that I'm less inclinded to "push the envelope" and to live along the edges. I guess that's what happens when we get older, get married, have children, and know the Lord.

    I think the thing I'm most likely to stumble upon is walking into a convenience store at the wrong time!

    And since I just started riding a motorcycle, I've felt more at risk when you're just sitting there in the open at a stop light! Still thinking about how/if to carry when riding.

    Well, you all have a good evening!

    Gideon

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    Exclamation Gideon, check your private mail on site

    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon
    Now the next one I don't recommend casually, however, I've been in a few situations when it was me and a group of folks who are like I used to be. Instead of seeking an exit, I began to witness to them about the Lord. Again, not a strategy anyone might use but it's actually opened doors and made me welcome in areas that I felt very vulnerable in.

    Amen, Brother! You ROCK with the Angels...

    If you think about it, BG's are normally hunting, just like I hunt deer. So if I avoid BG hunting grounds I'm less likely to encounter one. I've killed deer at 12:00 noon but by far the majority were early morning or late evening.

    Ah, but did the deer come to your front door asking to be harvested? No, you had to go out and find them. Same with the BG's. They know that the juiciest victims are not to be found in their 'Hood, so they go where they're likely to be found like the supermarket in the up-scale areas.

    I guess that's what happens when we get older, get married, have children, and know the Lord.

    Again I thunder it from the mountaintop: AMEN!

    And since I just started riding a motorcycle, I've felt more at risk when you're just sitting there in the open at a stop light! Still thinking about how/if to carry when riding.

    There are a number of Biker types here. I recently saw a thread on this. IIRC, there is a nondescript "thigh pouch" that clips to your belt that is to be used for documents, but could easily hold a handgun.....

    Well, you all have a good evening!
    Gideon
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    Waldo and EX are both right. remember my feelings on sunglasses? That's why a BG will wear them even when the lighting doesn't require it.

    Anyone who hides the eyes behind glasses or under a hat is almost always up to something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky
    ..........Better watch me close though, I have a tattoo..................and a gun. lol.
    So does my hubby!!

    Reading this thread got me thinking....my son is very tattooed, and pierced, is bi-polar and has social anxiety disorder which makes him somewhat paraniod and nervous in public, especially crowds. (one would think he would want to tone down the attention drawn to himself by his appearance!) But he is kind and considerate and is well liked by many and does not like confrontation. I KNOW that "profiling" (stereotyping) has its place, I just pray that no one will jump to conclusions about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Bakeryman
    So does my hubby!!

    Reading this thread got me thinking....my son is very tattooed, and pierced, is bi-polar and has social anxiety disorder which makes him somewhat paraniod and nervous in public, especially crowds. (one would think he would want to tone down the attention drawn to himself by his appearance!) But he is kind and considerate and is well liked by many and does not like confrontation. I KNOW that "profiling" (stereotyping) has its place, I just pray that no one will jump to conclusions about him.
    In today's environment, yup, people (GGs) will draw conclusions about your son, but that's okay too. Key words here are observation and awareness. Your son (another GG) is not posing a threat. What others have been posting is all directed at recognizing a threat and being prepared to respond, whether it is exiting the situation, or, if unable, being ready to protect themselves. When the "assumed BG" (your son perhaps) goes on about his business, the threat level goes down and the GGs continues on their way....always observing and being aware of the next encounter. People that "draw attention" to themselves certainly make the observation and awareness an easy task....it is the "Ted Bundy" types that pose the harder problem.
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