Pennsylvania question about laws

Pennsylvania question about laws

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    Pennsylvania question about laws

    From what I remember Pennsylvania does not allow preemption of state gun laws yet I just read that Peters Township in Pittsburgh has made it illegal to carry a concealed weapon in certain areas of the township even if you have a license.....

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07193/800894-55.stm

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    Council on Monday passed an ordinance prohibiting the possession of firearms on township property, including buildings, parks and other facilities. The exclusion includes those who are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but not police officers. The action was sparked by a resident who brought a concealed firearm to a township meeting, alarming several residents who spotted it.


    Any forum members in the Pittsburgh area or the state know about this?


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    Fails. Even if you're caught and/or arrested due to this ordinance, there can be no charges brought upon you, or the charges will be thrown out of court. State preemption means state preemption.
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    Is township property considered private? I think that is the question. If so, then they can forbid CC just like a store or mall can I guess.
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    "passed an ordinance prohibiting the possession of firearms on township property, including buildings, parks and other facilities"

    IMO, I think this would be the same as an owner posting a no firearms notice in thier establishment. In this case the properties are owned by the township, not the state, therfore wouldn't it be considered private property?

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    "IMO, I think this would be the same as an owner posting a no firearms notice in thier establishment. In this case the properties are owned by the township, not the state, therfore wouldn't it be considered private property?"

    Who "OWNS" the township? A private individual or the citizens of the township?

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    Isn't it amazing that the government likes to pass laws that make "victim zones"? I do not go to the parks in my area because the nice folks in the gubiments made it illegal to carry there and now they are "kill zones". And I like the park that is only 2 blocks from my house. And I pay taxes that help maintain that park. And I won't go there because it is a "victim zone" now.
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    Sounds like nothing more than a Township "feel good" ordinance to me.
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    There's a whole thread about this over on the PAFOA forums with some pretty good info (LE and Lawyer input).

    Here's the link: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...576-legal.html
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    Lexington86. I saw and participated in that. My twp. park has a sign for no firearms. I understand that the no pre-emption should rule and I should be OK, but the lawyer that responded to me really put a damper on me feeling good about disregarding what I perceived to be an unlawful local ordinance.

    It does not seem so cut and dried as I thought earlier.

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