This is a discussion on The Mall within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; When I carry an auto it's one extra magazine .The rare times I carry
a revolver it's one speed loader.34 round for auto and 10 ...
July 21st, 2007 09:24 AM
When I carry an auto it's one extra magazine .The rare times I carry
a revolver it's one speed loader.34 round for auto and 10 or 12 rounds for revolver depending which one I use.Think about it if you
carry 3 magazines that's over a box of ammo,I guess at 34 I heading to range for more practice.
July 21st, 2007 09:24 AM
July 21st, 2007 09:35 AM
The way I see it, if I am running from a fire fight the extra ammo wouldnt have mattered anyway. It might make my retreat a little more successful though.
If I have my family with me, we are retreating. If I'm alone, it just depends
July 21st, 2007 12:02 PM
Thanks to those who reassured me that I am not paranoid.
Janq, 57 rounds is not really heavy. Federal 115 gr +p+ JHPs are not that bad. Loaded G19 on right hip, two 17 round mags on left hip, keltec on ankle with 7 rounds is not bad. I was actually quite comfortable.
Semperfi, I know that I have the option to run the other way even being an LEO. But I could not live with myself knowing that I had the ability to possibly stop someone from taking innocent lives, and ran away instead. That being said, I would NEVER put the lives of my wife and child in jeapordy either. My wife has her cellphone and her own set of keys to the car. She knows that if the SHTF and I take action that she is to get out of there safely. I will make sure that they are out of harms way before I take action.
Hopefully none of us will have to be in a situation like this.
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July 21st, 2007 12:23 PM
July 21st, 2007 12:45 PM
Having been in two "Armed Encounters" and no requirement to act when I am off-duty, I carry at least two guns with a reload each.
If I carry my Glock 19 I have another magazine and a BUG with a reload. Usually though I carry an N-Frame Revolver and a J-Frame 442 as a BUG. Each has a reload.
Off-Duty, on-duty, it doesn't matter, I can personally testify that when the fecal matter hits the rotating oscilliator that you can never have too many bullets or too big of a gun.
Anybody that thinks a reload or two, or a BUG, is "paranoid" has never seen the elephant.
July 21st, 2007 05:16 PM
Personally I either carry just my primary autoloader and what it holds (7+1 in the tube) or the gun plus a spare mag - the latter is smarter, but not because I'm thinking that I may need 15 rounds to fire - it's smart to have an extra mag for a possible mag failure.
You can always worry about the absolute, worse-case scenario of doomsday proportions where you're in a locked in gun fight with multiple attackers and you "need" 2 guns and 4 mags to deal with it...
but reality is that 99% of all civilian or off duty LEO involved shootings take place with less than 5 rounds fired in a few seconds. I challenge anyone on this site to give me one documented example of a civilian or off duty LEO involved shooting that involved over 15 rounds (I pick that # because that's a common high cap magazine load). Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't recall any shootings like that...
I really don't think that the average CCW civilian needs a BUG - if you shoot frequently with your primary and maintain it well and use quality ammo, then the chance of a total failure is very, very small. And most gun failures are actually mag failures -so having one extra mag for your primary pretty much insures you for those rare occurances.
July 21st, 2007 05:19 PM
If running was possible, you probably wouldn't need any ammo. On the other hand, if I'm in a situation where I have to fight, I'm never going to wish I didn't have a spare or two. For the record, I carry a G19 with two 17-rounders and a 15 rounder (either a 15 or 17 in the gun depending on concealment issues) giving me a total of 50 rounds. It's not any more of a hassle to carry two reloads instead of one and it gives me a little more peace of mind.
Originally Posted by kavity
I'd be willing to bet that the first officer who engaged the shooter at the mall in Utah probably wished he had a reload for his single-stack 1911. I'd imagine that that instant when the slide locked back was probably the longest moment of his life. Think he carries a re-load now?
A member on another forum (ex-SEAL) once made the statement: "there's no such thing as too much ammo unless you're trying to swim."
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July 21st, 2007 06:07 PM
I'm lazy, and it is shorts and t-shirt weather. I really don't want to try to conceal or carry that much on my person. A loaded single stack with an extra mag should be good enough.
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July 21st, 2007 09:21 PM
I just got back from the mall; I went with my wife and 18 year old daughter. We ended up eating at a Rain Forest Café (Over priced and very noisy). Mid 90s today so shorts and t-shirt with a cover shirt, I had my .40 XD SC with an extra mag. 22 rounds all told. During the lunch my daughter got cold and my wife offered her my cover shirt. I told her that would not work. It took her a minute to figure out why it would not work. I think the Rain Forest Café would have been a bit upset for me to open carry.
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July 21st, 2007 09:38 PM
After reading thru this thread, I don't feel that self conscious about carrying 21 rounds for my G27 anymore! As been mentioned before the extra reload is good in case of mag failure, unlikely, but why not be prepared for it.
July 21st, 2007 09:46 PM
Always An Additional Mag!
If either my Kimber Ultra or my G-36, I always take an extra mag. If I'm going a 'distance' in the car I might also take a couple 'extra' mags in the glove box...just in case
I don't know that I'd want 4 mags on my person though...
Lately, I have been adding my P-3AT to my pocket...just started doing that (with an extra mag for that one too)...
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July 21st, 2007 10:15 PM
I've never carried that much ammo. Most of the time I don't even carry an extra mag. I can't say if I'm making good choices about that, or not. I wouldn't consider carrying a lot of ammo to be paranoid at all. You thought it out, decided what made you comfortable and you did it.
July 21st, 2007 10:55 PM
In what manner do you carry a total of 21 rounds for a G27? I'm figuring on a combination of magazines with or with the +2 extender.
Originally Posted by Arkhangel
See, I carry 9+1 in the gun, and a 15 rounder from a G22. 25 rounds.
Do you have 9+1 in the gun and then a 9 rounder with +2 extension as a spare? What's the combination you're using?
July 21st, 2007 10:58 PM
I'd say that "statistically" just having a gun is most of the time enough. The idea of not only needing to draw the gun is pretty rare. Then compound needing to draw + needing to fire and it's even more rare. Then add in needing to fire more than was in your gun in the first place, and you're getting into the infinitessimal, aren't you?
Originally Posted by Zigmun
Some of us are overkilling it, I think. But then the argument can be, "If you're carrying a gun at all, it's not a lot of extra effort to carry a spare mag, what with the 'it's better to have it and not need it' philosophy most of us espouse."
July 21st, 2007 11:57 PM
I also don't think that you're paranoid, NY. I frequently carry my XD 45 with 1 or 2 spare magazines, 13 rounds in each mag, plus the 1 in the pipe. I also will from time to time carry my Glock 26 as well. I haven't got a great option of running away. I have severe back problems, and walking is enough of a problem. Running is out of the question. I hope never to have to draw my gun other than at the range, or to clean it. But I would rather have the firepower and not need it, than not have it when I do need it. I live in Vegas, I could very easily have been at the NY NY casino. You just never know.
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