Carry in Church-again? - Missouri Church Shooting

Carry in Church-again? - Missouri Church Shooting

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    Carry in Church-again? - Missouri Church Shooting

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293034,00.html

    No place is safe.
    No place is safe.
    No place is safe.

    I am going to have to revise my decision not to carry in church.
    Insane world we often live in.
    SIGH.
    Last edited by miklcolt45; August 12th, 2007 at 07:39 PM. Reason: add a line.
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    Carry in any church is illegal in Missouri.

    Once again, proof that criminals don't obey laws.
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    This is why I wear a firearm....EVERYWHERE THE LAW ALLOWS!!!!
    Now my wife knows why I choose to carry in a shoulder harness even when singing in the choir.

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    EVERYWHERE THE LAW ALLOWS!!!
    Wouldn't have helped these poor souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
    Carry in any church is illegal in Missouri.
    Permission to Concealed Carry may be given by pastor or leaders in Missouri.

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000107.HTM

    (14) Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister or person or persons representing the religious organization that exercises control over the place of religious worship. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

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    That law sounds more liking something I am used to seeing in my backward state. Speaking of backward, the law itself needs to be reversed. It should be legal to carry unless those who control the property expressly forbid it. Why would a church be any different than a supermarket or movie theater?

    I certainly believe in personal property rights but why impose a restriction unless the property owner specifically requests it?
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    I revised your thread title so that folks can recognize the incident and hopefully prevent redundant posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEFan View Post
    That law sounds more liking something I am used to seeing in my backward state. Speaking of backward, the law itself needs to be reversed. It should be legal to carry unless those who control the property expressly forbid it. Why would a church be any different than a supermarket or movie theater?

    I certainly believe in personal property rights but why impose a restriction unless the property owner specifically requests it?
    I agree it needs to be changed but some states do not have the option of getting permission. The penalty for carrying in a posted place in Missouri are:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000107.HTM

    2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a** concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
    Carry in any church is illegal in Missouri.

    Once again, proof that criminals don't obey laws.
    Question is, were any members of the congregation regular CCWers who left their guns at home because of the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    No place is safe.
    No place is safe.
    No place is safe.
    That's all ye need know.
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    Is it just me, or does it seem BG's have become more aggressive and are willing to shot anywhere at anytime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepingZ View Post
    Is it just me, or does it seem BG's have become more aggressive and are willing to shot anywhere at anytime.

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    No, Z,

    I think you are right on target. Where there used to SOME sense of propriety (i.e., not attacking elderly women with a hammer, or a 9 year old in a laundry room-Orlando, or shooting in a church), even hardened criminals, it seems, would not do some things.

    That sure appears to have changed.

    Crazy. Just crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    No, Z,

    I think you are right on target. Where there used to SOME sense of propriety (i.e., not attacking elderly women with a hammer, or a 9 year old in a laundry room-Orlando, or shooting in a church), even hardened criminals, it seems, would not do some things.

    That sure appears to have changed.

    Crazy. Just crazy.
    These cowards also tend to look for places where they are unlikely to meet armed resistance, such as the so-called "Gun Free Zones". Churchs, schools, post offices, govt. bldgs., malls etc. are perfect places to wreak havoc with a gun. And how about that nut in PA beating those Grandmas over the head with a hammer at the beauty parlor. I'd like to issue him an invitation to bring his hammer to our shooting range here in KS and try that! By the way Kansas recently ammended its laws to allow CCW Licensees to carry in any church, unless they are posted with the uniform "No CCW" signage which the Att. Gen. office has approved.

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    I carry every Sunday, gun +2 extra mags. I know of at least 20 others who do the same in our church. It is important to know what the law states in Missouri. Luck.
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    again...too sad
    evil can happen anytime anywhere
    I too wonder how many license holders were in church but were disarmed by Missouri's CCW laws

    I too condone carrying in church, just like everywhere else thats legal (should be everywhere)
    Every Sunday I carry my G30 & 2 spare mags....along with my bible :)
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