universities not banning guns?
This is a discussion on universities not banning guns? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by KahrGirl
In CA CCWers are exempt for the "gun free zone". However, if you are a student and signed your life away ...
August 17th, 2007 11:20 AM
Originally Posted by KahrGirl
They would always say NO, because of the lawyers in suits afraid of liability. Just like coming into any store if you ask they would say "heavens no" just because.
August 17th, 2007 12:01 PM
Well Im currently looking at two schools for grad school- U of Utah and Boise State. Boise has a 100% no guns policy. Where U of U you can carry... well thats one more point for utah.
August 17th, 2007 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by rljohns
Good to know, thanks of the information guys.
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August 17th, 2007 02:42 PM
As I understand that case he wasn't a permit holder. The law says that anyone with a permit can carry anywhere except certain places. Banning weapons, even long guns, from possession by a NON-permit holder is just fine... and that's what they charged him with.
Originally Posted by ShadeAngel
Originally Posted by rljohns
Boulder can't preempt state law. Only Denver can to a limited extent. He was charged with violating CRS 18-9-117g Unlawful conduct on public property. CRS 18-12-214 is what allows you to carry a firearm and prevents them from banning that carry most places. They can make whatever rules they want for non-permit holders since they aren't protected by the statute.
Maybe dorms have a different rule. But won't there need to be a state law against it? Maybe that's a Boulder City Ordinance. I didn't realize that a school could make up felonies
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August 17th, 2007 03:23 PM
Very interesting point. So it's kinda like a right to work state - in that your employer can fire you for no reason, but can't fire you for the wrong reason. Once you have the permit, your sort of a "no touch" person with these petty charges such as branshing, mennecing, etc as long as concealed is concealed.
Originally Posted by tanksoldier
August 17th, 2007 03:25 PM
Denver is a "home rule" city. They still can't preempt any of the CCW concepts. They can only effect open carry, assualt weapons (bad term), storage, and non-permit behavior.
August 17th, 2007 04:46 PM
So if you carry on campus, does that make you a criminal or just risk getting expelled?
Originally Posted by kavity
August 18th, 2007 11:51 AM
August 18th, 2007 12:18 PM
Oregon disallows banning by state universities and colleges, given the preemption clause. Though, many colleges still take the actual stand that it's verboten. So, you're left with being expelled and a lawsuit to get back in. But, legally, you're allowed to carry on campus, if licensed to carry.
Originally Posted by robere
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August 18th, 2007 12:28 PM
Same as Colorado, the problem is Ken Salazar. When he was AG for the State of Colorado, he wrote a very blatantly incorrect AG opinion saying the Board of Regents at CU could ignore State Law and make a policy. In our preemption law CU would need to put metal detectors at each entrance of every building they wish to ban weapons. Without the metal detectors they are in violation of CR'S.
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
It just need to be challenged in court at the state supreme court level.
August 18th, 2007 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by sailormnop
Not a criminal. They can ask me to leave/take my gun off campus or they could have me expelled (or anything in between). This puts me in a tough situation--I feel that I should be allowed to carry on campus and its my responsibility to protect myself. However, in doing so I will be in violation of school policy which could lead to my suspension or expulsion.
I'd like to think that if this happened I would be the tip of the spear in terms of cc campus rights (meaning that I would win whatever lawsuit that was thrown at me), but I don't know if I want to be the sacrificial lamb for this cause...because I only have a year left and getting expelled would LAME++.
This is a conundrum.
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