August 22nd, 2007 04:57 PM
I carry my drivers license and permit in a credit card sized leather ID holder.
I was pulled over recently and had plenty of time to turn off the engine, and get my ID holder out before the LEO got to the door.
I didn't attempt to get the registration out until after I gave him my license and permit and let him know I was armed.
I used to be worried about getting this stuff out before the LEO approached but don't worry about it anymore.
I see no problem with pulling over, turning off the engine (depending on the weather), turning on the dome light, letting the LEO know I have a permit and am armed and simply following the his directions.
Like Sixto said in a previous thread, we are over thinking this problem.
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
August 22nd, 2007 06:36 PM
The best thing to do is exactly what the officer says to do. Pull over at a good spot for the LEO to get out of his car and roll your window down and turn off your car. Keep both hands on the wheel. When he approaches the window tell him you are armed and have a permit. Then do what he says to do, if you are not sure whet he wants then ask him to repeat it.
Bottom line do as you are told and nothing more. Don't reach for your gun or the glove box. The officer wont know what you are doing. Just sit still and follow directions.
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August 22nd, 2007 07:22 PM
i keep all pertinent paperwork in the overhead visor, except for my ID, which i keep in my shirt pocket when i drive.
August 23rd, 2007 11:17 AM
I remove any personal information from the vehicle. I carry id, permit, insurance, and cards in a thin carrier in front weak side pocket. When stopped, keep hands visible, make eye contact, smile, and follow instructions.
Well, OK, maybe the smile part would be hard.
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("Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.")
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August 23rd, 2007 11:46 AM
I don't neccessarily think that the "Traffic Stops 101" thread should be reopened for discusion.
However, I do think that the full thread should be moved to this section and stickied since this topic is one of the regular recycles.
I would also nominate Sixto's original article to be submitted into the reference and how to library.
I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.
August 26th, 2007 03:30 PM
I drive a 4X4 E350 panel van with a 6 inch suspension lift, so I can't be seen until someone walks right up to the door. By then, I have the paperwork in my hands. Never had a problem.
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August 26th, 2007 03:46 PM
And this is why I love using a photographer's vest. Wallet with DL and CCW inside left top front pocket. No need for twisting and reaching behind you. My truck has a compartment on the ceiling to keep the garage door opener but since I have no garage, that is where I keep the registration and insurance card.
And since I am such a good driver, I never had a ticket for a moving violation ever.
South Florida Definition of Good Driver: One that does 80 mph on a 55 mph zone while everybody else is flying at 90 mph. Also the one that remembers to use the turning lights at least once a day and has memorized where all the speed traps are located in a 45 mile radius and renews his/her tag 12 hours before it expires.
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
August 26th, 2007 04:02 PM
I agree with some of the above...this is way overworked!
On my part, I wouldn't act any different being stopped with or without a weapon. Common sense says you should be polite and display the actions of a polite, and low-key individual.
On the LEO's part, he's is probably going to assume that every stop could involve a weapon, and your calm attitude and correct info will make things go more smoothly for all...
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