CCW for dress clothes?
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I carry ALL the time with it when I am dressed ...
September 9th, 2007 11:54 PM
CCW for dress clothes?
So, I love my HK P2000SK. The VMII is great with an untucked shirt.
I carry ALL the time with it when I am dressed casual.
However, I have been sticking the gun in my briefcase when I dress up.
This is less than ideal, of course.
I do have the deep clips for the VMII that go on the pants and the belt goes over that. I tried it and just as I got in the door coming home it fell out.
To be blunt I have a muscular behind. Sorry. It had to be stated.
My hip/butt pushes out the holster at an angle. One of the clips came totally out as I get in/out of my car often.
Plus, I was still confused how my dress shirt was suppose to cover the top of the holster. I get pull it out a bunch so it goes over the top? But that looks rediculous- and regardless my hip/butt pushes the clips out.
SO......that method of carry is out. I switched the clips back tot he belt loops for casual wear.
The gun goes in my briefcase.
I saw what MAY be a better IWB holster as I searched all over...but it's the same system. No matter what I think IWB will not work for my dress clothes.
But wait...even in hot weather I can wear a sports coat. So, I tried to put the SK in my inside pocket and it was just too heavy/bulky and the butt didn't clear the pocket.
Crap. Back in the briefcase it went.
I am wondering about this:
It looks doable with some shirts. But still- reaction time will be way down having to untuck, lift then draw. Dunno. I think my body is built well for that though.
There's also smart carry:
But it seems people need to wear VERY loose pants for that.
Hmm...dunno...maybe it could work. Actually, I can't see how the gun in a pouch wouldn't be a HUGE odd buldge when sitting down with customers.
So, my thoughts were leaning towards getting a try pocket gun. S&W AirLite or something similar- maybe a kahr.
I COULD put the SK in the DeSantis pocket holster and while it doesn't look bad walking around, it feels heavy and when sitting it a big butt buldge that looks like a book. That's just too uncomfortable to me to wear all day.
My thoughts were to keep the SK in my briefcase which I have by my side always, but have a true pocket gun I could use until I could get to the SK - IF I still needed it.
I cannot wear an ankle holster as I have HUGE calves.
I just tried putting my SK in the sport coat jacket pocket by itself and while it goes mostly in crooked- it's just still too heavy.
Keep in mind it's Orlando and most of my clothes is very lightweight.
Should I try a good shoulder rig? Just put the gun wear it would end up and I dunno. Plus, it just seems awkward to access.
I could always have my sport coat and suit jackets pockets modified to fit the gun. Still the weight really pulls that side of the jacket down a lot.
Those of you with flat butts/hips are lucky for IWB!
I could get someone to create a compartment on the back of the briefcase with Velcro so I'd have very quick access. I may do that plus get a very slim true pocket gun to always keep in my pocket.
The new Walther PPS looks pretty attractive for that purpose. That or a small wheel gun or MAYBE a kahr.
September 10th, 2007 12:09 AM
get thicker pants, use something that fits in your pocket. Almost sounds like you had your mind made up
September 10th, 2007 12:16 AM
Dress slacks can only get so thick especially when it's 95+ And- I have no idea how thicker pants would help?
Was wondering if maybe a shoulder rig works well for some people?
September 10th, 2007 12:21 AM
Well Mr Bond always looks sharp in his tux with a PPK in a shoulder rig!
September 10th, 2007 12:31 AM
Yeah- but then ya have to wear a jacket ALL the time- even inside.
The IWB VMII with belt loops is totally great for casual wear.
I have thick quads so although the gun can fit in a slack pocket with desantis pocket holster, it sticks out a lot.
It's not so much just a dress clothes issue, as it is a body type issue as well.
Suppose I need a smaller gun if I want quick access while dressed up.
The alternative would be to have the tailor make more accomodating pockets in my jackets.
September 10th, 2007 01:04 AM
I use an ankle holster with my S&W airweight snubie when I have to wear dress clothes. Just no way I can conceal my XD in the summer with those clothes. In the fall / winter though a IWB or shoulder holster with a jacket that is tailored right works just fine with my larger XD.
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September 10th, 2007 01:10 AM
I was thinking silk v cotton, January in Miami, etc.
September 10th, 2007 01:12 AM
In honesty, if you want the perfect system that disappears on your body, you might just have to pay for it.
I have always said, a good gun, and even a good holster, is like a fine suit. You buy the one that's best for you, but something you still have to get things tailored. There is no such thing as a generic product that works perfectly for everyone. There may even be a VAST majority of people that a particular system works for but because of one problem/need or another it just won't work for someone else.
You may have to look into some custom leather and possibly even some custom clothes. Look for tailors who do suits for undercover police officers and Detectives. They seem to have some skills in concealing guns.
I worked at an office before I was blessed with the job I have now, and sometimes it was very hard to find the kind of combination that worked well for me. I usually ended up having to trade my .45 for a .380 just so I could be comfortable and not printing like crazy.
Perhaps a smaller gun is just what the doctor ordered.
And remember, the small gun that you have on you is better than the big one you left at home.
September 10th, 2007 01:45 AM
Tried an ankle holster. Calve is way to huge. 17.5 inch circumference. That's mostly just genetics. I'm not confident in a support that is just around the top of the ankle. Also, one needs to literally STOP to draw from the ankle. Could work in some situations though.
Originally Posted by 88m
I guess my options are:
1) Custom pockets in sports coat jackets and suit jackets.
2) Buy J-frame or some other super small gun to always keep in front pocket and leave 2000SK in briefcase
3) Wear my VMII with belt loops like I do casual and just always wear a jacket- would be WICKET hot though.
If I had pockets made for jackets then I could slip the jacket off and keep in my lap.
MAYBE a good concealed shoulder rig. I guess it could be quick to RIP the shirt up and reach under and up to pull and draw.
GUess I "need" a baby gun to always have in my pocket no matter what.
September 10th, 2007 01:54 AM
You have particular demands...that's OK! A KelTec P-3AT would disappear in your front pocket...
Or...you could get a Man purse... OK, OK, I was just kidding! No disrespect intended...
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September 10th, 2007 02:02 AM
Just my experience
I have the same undershirt holster system you're looking into and use it to carry my XD40sc when I find myself in dress clothes.....which is quite often. I'm not sure how the HK P2000SK compares in size to the XD40sc, but if it is close, it would be worth a try.
To get around having to pull my shirt up to access my gun, I just leave the third button down from the top undone. I can easily slide my hand into my shirt and retrieve my gun, and my tie hides the fact that the button is undone.
I've used it now for about 5 months, at least two times a week and it has worked for me. It is even fairly comfortable after long days like today.....16 hours. Plus, if your dress shirts aren't too tight, it hides the gun well; but, be careful about white shirts.....your grip might show through the shirt.
Like the title says, this is just my experience. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to answer them for you.
Take care and good luck.
September 10th, 2007 02:44 AM
You can sew the buttons on top placket and make your shirt velcro if you want to wear something underneath your dress shirt. I think buying a small gun is a great idea - its a good excuse at the least, and probably a good option to have anyways. Wearing a cover garment is the standard for concealing a gun....but it does get hot down there. Then again if you're in an office wearing a suit you probably have A/C anyhow, so the only time it would be a pain to wear the jacket is to and from places. It might be worth it to just take the heat.
September 10th, 2007 03:31 AM
OK. Some really good suggestions now. :) I posted elsewhere too and got other suggestions.
1) Will get a smaller gun to ALWAYS have on me. Good excuse to get another gun anyways. :)
2) That shoulder garment under the shirt MAY just work out. The SK is very similar to the XD as I recall. So, maybe problem solved right there. Ordered it already. Took note of white or light shirts.
3) Possible quality shoulder rig. Sent e-mail to LASPORTS to see if he has anything.
4) Simply always wear my sports coat or suit jacket and can carry just like casual.-- but need to keep jacket on always.
5) Custom clothing to accomodate systems better.
6) Custom holster makers
7) Combination of above.
Think I'm covered. and have more than enough tips to make things work under various situation!
September 10th, 2007 11:37 AM
Man I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Usp compact that won't disappear. I tried the Mtac and while untucked it works great. But with my body style it bulges badly tucked. I also have the undershirt holster you mentioned. If your V shaped enough you can pull it off without a problem.
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September 10th, 2007 11:48 AM
I would try a Smartcarry. I work at a bank and have to dress up everyday. I tried a tuckable holster (Comp-Tac Shirt Tucker), and while it is a great holster for casual wear, it just doesn't look right when you tuck the shirt in. So, I tried a Smartcarry and I love it. It's very comfortable (I've even gone jogging with it) and my Bersa Thunder completely disappears in my pants. I didn't have to buy a larger size, but I did find that the gun hides better with a pleated front. Anyway, good luck on your search!
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