Question about carry on / near Texas University areas...

Question about carry on / near Texas University areas...

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    Question about carry on / near Texas University areas...

    I am moving to Austin, Texas soon and will be living close to The University Of Texas.

    I have researched this quite a bit but cannot get a defined answer. As you know, UT has quite a large campus. Is it legal for me to drive through the campus with a handgun in my car (I have a CCL)? Is it legal for me to go to eat somewhere that is right next to campus while carrying? Where else can I carry on or around the campus area? I remember hearing somewhere that you cannot carry within so many feet of a university.

    All help greatly appreciated!

    Kevin


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    46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
    an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
    possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
    prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
    (1) on the physical premises of a school or
    educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
    activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
    conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
    educational institution, whether the school or educational
    institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
    regulations or written authorization of the institution;
    (2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an
    election or while early voting is in progress;
    (3) on the premises of any government court or offices
    utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or
    written authorization of the court;
    (4) on the premises of a racetrack;
    (5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
    (6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of
    which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a
    place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure,
    on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the
    designated premises and the person received notice that:
    (A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with
    a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
    (B) possessing a weapon listed under this
    subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
    (b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections
    (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual
    discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or
    national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an
    officer of the court.
    (c) In this section:
    (1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
    46.035.


    46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
    (f) In this section:
    (3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
    building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
    street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
    parking area.

    It is all in the penal code. You should take some time and read through it. It is all available in your CHL handbook, and on the interenet.

    Hope this helps
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    yep. The term "premises" is the important one here. In Texas, it's perfectly legal for you to be armed while in your vehicle or on foot on university property, so long as you do not enter any of the buildings without first disarming.

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    I Wouldn't worry about it;

    I go up there all the time to see football games and I have my weapon within easy reach in the truck at all times, especially when i am driving down Guadalupe st. (the drag) which has many unsavory street people walking around. The street borders the university and I have never worried about being on or near the campus. You have to remember that the weapon is concealed, so just don't tell anyone. I don't.

    Good luck in liberal land......
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    You'd be better served to pretend that you've never heard of the University of Texas and avoid puke orange from this point forward. It will usually make October Saturdays at the Cotton Bowl much more enjoyable!
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    You can probably call the UT police and get straight answers, but be sure not to call the university information desk.

    I called the Texas Tech information desk with similar questions, and started a panic when I mentioned firearm.

    Someone here I think recommended to call the campus police who were familiar with the regulations.

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    Welcome to Austin. I lived in west campus for years. All and all, not the worst neighborhood I have ever been in, but did have a resident of our house mugged in the front yard once.

    One good thing, police response is top rate in that area (witnessed a domestic attack once (in my office parking lot - 6 cars in about 1 minute responded).
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    One bad thing, it can be a very liberal crowd and guns in generally are not well received (I suspect -0- guns is a common clause in rental contracts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
    an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
    possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
    prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
    (1) on the physical premises of a school or
    educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
    activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
    conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
    educational institution, whether the school or educational
    institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
    regulations or written authorization of the institution;
    (2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an
    election or while early voting is in progress;
    (3) on the premises of any government court or offices
    utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or
    written authorization of the court;
    (4) on the premises of a racetrack;
    (5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
    (6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of
    which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a
    place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure,
    on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the
    designated premises and the person received notice that:
    (A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with
    a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
    (B) possessing a weapon listed under this
    subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
    (b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections
    (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual
    discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or
    national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an
    officer of the court.
    (c) In this section:
    (1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
    46.035.


    46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
    (f) In this section:
    (3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
    building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
    street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
    parking area.

    It is all in the penal code. You should take some time and read through it. It is all available in your CHL handbook, and on the interenet.

    Hope this helps
    Farronwolf has provided the right info here. Here's a link to the Texas Dept. of Public Safety CHL page: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    It is all in the penal code. You should take some time and read through it. It is all available in your CHL handbook, and on the interenet.

    Hope this helps
    Even with the code, it can be confusing.

    For example, Texas Tech purchased a 5 story office building across from the campus.

    The ground floor is a Bank of America. The 5th floor is a class room.

    Bank customers have no idea who owns the building or that there is a university class and lab on the 5th floor.

    From reading the code, it seems entering the bank on the first floor means you are in violation. I wonder how many times I've been in other violations and didn't even know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kashton View Post
    Is it legal for me to drive through the campus with a handgun in my car (I have a CCL)? Is it legal for me to go to eat somewhere that is right next to campus while carrying? Where else can I carry on or around the campus area? I remember hearing somewhere that you cannot carry within so many feet of a university.

    Kevin
    The question wasn't about a bank building or anything like that. It refered to UT and their property, driving through, eating near etc.

    As for the question about the building by Texas Tech, the answer is pretty straight forward also.

    (1) on the physical premises of a school or
    educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
    activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
    conducted,
    (3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
    building.

    If you know the building is owned by the University, or that there are classrooms in the building your knowingly violating the law. If you are unaware of the situation, you are still violating the law, just not knowingly. If that is the actual case in Lubbock, then I would think it would be in the best interest of everyone if the University or bank would post the building according to Texas Law. Maybe someone should write them regarding this.

    I live 500 miles from there, and don't bank with Bank of America, so I am pretty safe from violating this location.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    Unless you are going into the buildings on campus you should have no problem. The only thing I can think of that is "iffy" is if there are any official activites going on in outdoor plaza type areas. I would steer clear of those. As far as a mixed use building like the above mentioned bank situation, I believe that is where the "portion of a building" comes in. As I understand it you would be fine in the bank but prohibited on the floors that are used for university business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    The question wasn't about a bank building or anything like that. It refered to UT and their property, driving through, eating near etc.
    Wasn't trying to say you didn't answer his question by providing the state code.

    Just pointing out how hard it is for someone who is earnestly trying to avoid being in violation, to keep legal.

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    Where do school rules come into the equation? I ask this because I was told by the local police, just don't enter a building with it.
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