This is a discussion on If you were asked. . . . . within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I answered that I would lie and say no. It's possible I would also do the "none of your business" thing, but here's the reason ...
Truthfully, yes I am/ No I am not
Falsely, no I am not
Non-committally, that is none of your business
I answered that I would lie and say no.
It's possible I would also do the "none of your business" thing, but here's the reason I would probably say no.
I understand that when someone says "none of your business" in answer to that question, 99 out of 100 times, the asker is going to assume that's a "yes." And usually I am not going to want someone either knowing or suspecting that the answer is yes. If they suspect the answer's yes, even in the absence of an actual answer, they may take a course of action from that point on, that I consider undesirable.
I'd rather leave the fool with the mistaken impression that I'm not armed. That gives me the satisfaction of disrespecting someone who has been disrespectful to me, and also throws them off my trail, so to speak, about whether I have a gun on me.
Last edited by skippythenurse; October 11th, 2007 at 06:16 AM. Reason: Found new info.
Now if you are made you are not concealing, that is something different. If you have been made they don't need to ask you if you are carrying. If they ask it is because they do not know, at least not for certain.
I don't ask the guy at the customer service counter if he is wearing ladies underwear and he should not be asking if I have a gun (if he can't see it). As long as it is legal I have no problem lying to any person sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. People may think they are being "smart" by giving a non-commital answer, they are not. A non-commital answer is an answer, that answer is "yes, but I don't want to say that" and any person who doesn't see through that is one of the dullest crayons in the box.
As long as it is legal I will smile at them, make full eye contact and lie. This does not apply with LEOs performing their sworn duties.
If the sign carries no weight of law if it isn't done correctly, and the business I am in is not posted correctly, then I might answer truthfully.
Why not? The most they can do is ask you to leave.
I was thinking about this question again and you know, we do live in a polite society where we learn to answer questions asked of us but... just because someone ask you a question (non LEO etc.) doesn't mean you have to answer it at all! You could simply ignore it!
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Not a problem for me I respect the owners intentions regardless if the sign meets the letter of the law.
rodc13 curtly said:
in reference to:No. It's not.
Originally Posted by Piglet
I was referring to the way in which such "noncommittal" responses would surely be viewed by the nosy person. I did not intend a literal interpretation of the words used when I said "Doing that is the same as admitting you are carrying."Just remember, anything but a "no" is a "yes".
I was surprised to see all the people who said they would say "It's none of your business", or who advised answering "noncommittally".
Doing that is the same as admitting you are carrying.
I think this was obvious from the context of my post and that of the entire thread.
The same principle applies to the statement about carrying multiple weapons: "One is none, and two is one". Technically absurd, but it makes an important point notwithstanding.
Musketeer:I understand that when someone says "none of your business" in answer to that question, 99 out of 100 times, the asker is going to assume that's a "yes." And usually I am not going to want someone either knowing or suspecting that the answer is yes. If they suspect the answer's yes, even in the absence of an actual answer, they may take a course of action from that point on, that I consider undesirable.
These gentlemen see the light.People may think they are being "smart" by giving a non-commital answer, they are not. A non-commital answer is an answer, that answer is "yes, but I don't want to say that" and any person who doesn't see through that is one of the dullest crayons in the box.
Lots of opinions on here, and a lot from people who aren't in Texas and don't know the laws here. Skippy the Nurse was nice enough to post the link to the new handgun laws handbook (thanks by the way, I still had the 2005-2006 copy). Anyone with a CHL in Texas should have a copy and know it, especially section 30.06, which deals with Tresspass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun. That section explicitly outlines the requirement for the sign that prohibits concealed carry on a premises. No other form of that sign is considered legally binding by the state of Texas. It is one of the better handgun statues I have seen by any state.
As for the scenario, there is a difference between being asked if you have a gun and being asked to leave. You are not required to answer the first question unless it is being posted to you by certain law enforcement individuals that are identified in the handgun law handbook. You are not required to answer that question if it is anyone else. So, you can basically tell them anything you like. Personally, I would not answer the question, and ask why they are asking.
If the individual then tells you they believe you are carrying, and asks you to leave, then you must leave otherwise you are tresspassing. This isn't only for someone carrying, anyone who is asked to leave a premises must do so or by law they are tresspassing. If the person says something along the lines of "I think you have a gun and I want you to leave," you must do so. Even if you don't have a gun, unless you are willing to prove that to the individual to their satisfaction, you must leave. Any other actions could be considered disorderly conduct.
In Kansas; as long as they do not have a gun-buster (legal siganage; which you stated they did not have) it is none of their business. The only exception to this is if the person is an LEO and asked the question. If I am carrying I would say yes, sir I am!
I concur with "Why would you ask something like that?".
I'd like to add: "There's nothing to be concerned about."
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If it was a friend I would probably tell them the truth, but only because I know them and they know me. I always consider my friends armed, so I wouldn't have any reason to ask them.
If it was a stranger I'd ask "Who are you?" first of all, then either "Yes sir officer", or just walk away if I could. If I was stuck in a line and couldn't walk away, I'd probably tell them it's none of their business.
When asked by someone once in the doctors office (not someone in the waiting room) the answer might be simply "Is that a problem?" then wait for their follow-up. This will be where you get the 'official policy' speech. Then it's either ok, or, you'll be asked to put it out in the car.
In the waiting room I would simply turn my attention back to that 5 year old copy of Field and Stream without a reply.
But I disagree with you.
If you're carrying in a place where it's actually legally prohibited, and they "made" you, you're in trouble and being a smartass is not going to be what makes the difference.
And if it's not a carry-prohibited location, being a smartass might, at worst, get them to call the police to ask you to leave.
Plus, being willing to give a smartass retort to a rude and intrusive question does not mean a gun owner is immature. Fed up, maybe, but not immature.
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