Speed of The Draw

Speed of The Draw

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    Speed of The Draw

    I had my wife time my draw from cover in the following situations:

    Glock 23 with a Clip Draw, cocked, IWB @ 3 o'clock.

    Glock 23 with a Clip Draw, not cocked (Israeli style), IWB @ 3 o'clock.

    My times varied between 1.4 and 2.0 seconds with the best times when I had to cock the pistol Israeli style (how ironic is that!).

    I'm not looking to debate the Clip Draw or Israeli style, just curious if anyone else has timed themselves. FWIW... I don't carry chambered when utilizing the Clip Draw.

    I haven't timed myself with my other method of carry, Smart Carry, but I'm reasonalby sure it will take longer than IWB.


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    The title of the post makes me raise to the debate .. So here it is ... Speed of the draw ... or presentation means exactly nothing . a sure , consistant grip and accuracy with your shots will rule the day . You dont have to out draw anyone , however you best be a better shot .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    The title of the post makes me raise to the debate .. So here it is ... Speed of the draw ... or presentation means exactly nothing . a sure , consistant grip and accuracy with your shots will rule the day . You dont have to out draw anyone , however you best be a better shot .
    This 60 year old have to agree, I'm no fast draw, but I can always hit what I shoot at...I believe my life experiences have helped me to stay calm in high pressure situations...
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    Speed of draw doesn't mean much IMO. Sitiuational awareness and shot placement mean everything . You should never let yourself get into a sitiuation where you are surprised. Also, there is no such thing as "knock down power" regardless of your caliber selection unless your round goes into the back of the brain or somewhere in the spinal cord. So just because you shoot an attacker twice in the chest doesn't mean he won't spend the next five seconds shooting you 10 times in the chest. Kinda scary but that's reality.

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    Agree w/ all the above.
    I teach folks in personal defense class how to spell "fast".
    Every 3rd grader spells "fast" f-a-s-t.

    Folks defending them selves w/ a handgun need to spell it S---M---O---O---T---H.

    No wasted motion & 3 center mass hits in 2 seconds from cover & moving keep you alive longer than 8 misses in 4 seconds. Yes I see it often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by takurpic View Post
    I had my wife time my draw from cover in the following situations:

    Glock 23 with a Clip Draw, cocked, IWB @ 3 o'clock.

    Glock 23 with a Clip Draw, not cocked (Israeli style), IWB @ 3 o'clock.

    Generally, just a draw time is not useful....more useful is a "draw and hit an X target at Y feet" time.

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    Even though it may not be as important, it's still probably good to practice nevertheless, no? With my luck, the type of situation where I would actually have to fast-draw would be the one I would get. IMHO, it's better to practice a little now, rather than be wishing you did so later. Even though I'm new at this, from what I have gathered, when it comes to training, you can't be too well-trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alyehoud View Post
    Even though it may not be as important, it's still probably good to practice nevertheless, no? With my luck, the type of situation where I would actually have to fast-draw would be the one I would get. IMHO, it's better to practice a little now, rather than be wishing you did so later. Even though I'm new at this, from what I have gathered, when it comes to training, you can't be too well-trained.

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    Yes! My way of thinking too.

    Didn't mean to start a spitting match, just curious if others had tried it.

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    I'll share a little life lesson that surprised me as a young whipper snapper. I was practicing Iaido (sword form that puts the emphasis on defeating your attacker with a very fast draw). My teacher was ranked one of the top ten in the world. He always made us repeat everything very, very slowly but with perfect form. He said not to worry because one day when we needed the fast part it would all come together. In those days I could not carry a firearm but did carry a knife. I started practicing drawing and meeting a threat the same way. Over and bloody over again. Repeat, repeat, repeat slow and smooth.

    One night while escorting wife and child to the door in pitch dark a threat came out of the alley by the house and without even thinking I drew and met the threat faster than I'd of believed I could move and it was smooth and fast. The threat also disappeared pretty fast as well.

    Not saying it works for everyone but it sure worked forme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alyehoud View Post
    Even though it may not be as important, it's still probably good to practice nevertheless, no?
    Sure, it's good practice.

    Still, if you want to compare apples and apples, the standard for draw times involves actually hitting a target. Otherwise, while you're getting the gun out of the holster in that time...then what? Is the gun in a usable position? It's worth it to practice the individual parts as you can, but the actual number that matters is the whole thing.

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    FWIW... I was also acquiring a sight picture and pulling the trigger in my given times. Agreed, not as good as actually timing live fire, but good practice none-the-less.

    Are there automated shot timers for practicing alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by takurpic View Post
    Are there automated shot timers for practicing alone?
    Not sure if you can make an auto timer (like used in IDPA/USPSA) pick up the sound of the hammer hitting a snap-cap or empty chamber but it's worth checking into.

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    Busted a few caps today and part of my practice is the draw. Although I'm relatively new to CC I do practice regularly and it helps with everything. I don't know how much time it takes me but I do know that it's becoming automatic. I use IWB and practice pulling my shirt back while drawing.
    My biggest thing is safety. I carry cocked and locked and have developed safe habits when practicing.
    What I'm enjoying now is the way that my hands are working in sync with the guns position and its controls. Practice is our best chance to come away victorious when the SHTF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvshooter View Post
    Speed of draw doesn't mean much IMO. Sitiuational awareness and shot placement mean everything . You should never let yourself get into a sitiuation where you are surprised. Also, there is no such thing as "knock down power" regardless of your caliber selection unless your round goes into the back of the brain or somewhere in the spinal cord. So just because you shoot an attacker twice in the chest doesn't mean he won't spend the next five seconds shooting you 10 times in the chest. Kinda scary but that's reality.
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    I use this shot timer: http://www.cedhk.com/show.php/Object518

    It's kinda fun and I don't need someone else to time me.

    (I won't post my time though! )
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