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    CU Boulder football game

    Do they use metal detectors, pat down or wand?


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    Illegal?

    Isn't illegal to carry at a School, College or Professional athletic event (i.e. football game) in Colorado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragman View Post
    Isn't illegal to carry at a School, College or Professional athletic event (i.e. football game) in Colorado?
    Hmm, apparently not. Only thing I could see was if they had screening at the entrance. Hence the reason for your question no doubt!

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    You are now entering the Peoples Republic of Boulder...

    Good Luck. Some helpful links to info regarding carry at CU has been posted previously:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...362#post460362

    CU is a complicated place... go informed.
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    Right, Fragman. Colorado law prohibits carry by nonLEOs at elementary and high schools, but not at colleges or universities. Some universities here have no-carry policies for students, some don't.

    Sorry, MountainPacker, I can't answer your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragman View Post
    Isn't illegal to carry at a School, College or Professional athletic event (i.e. football game) in Colorado?
    No.

    It's a complex issue in Colorado.

    College/ University carry is legal in CO. The permit allows carry in all parts of the state except locations specifically prohibited by law... and college campuses don't fit the prohibited area definitions.

    A former AG wrote an opinion stating that University of Colorado (CU) campuses could ignore the law and prohibit carry anyway, and that is the justification CU campuses use for banning licensed carry in spite of the law. There hasn't been a court case yet where someone was arrested and tried based on this opinion.

    Other non-CU campuses in Colorado also still have policies against licensed carry on their campuses even though they aren't legally enforceable. Metropolitan State College in Denver requires that licensed persons discovered with a handgun on campus be escorted off campus by the police, even though it isn't private property and there is no legal basis for excluding people from the grounds based solely on licensed concealed carry.

    Colorado State University in Fort Collins DOES allow concealed carry on campus, as the Larimer county Sheriff is pro-CCW and has stated in interviews that the law (CRS 18-12-124) doesn't provide discretion to campuses whether or not to allow carry, and that the infamous AG opinion written by Ken Salazar (now one of our Senators) is wrong. CSU campus police officers are also Larimer County Sheriff's deputies.

    http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/Statutes/18-12-214.asp

    18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions.

    (1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.

    (b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.

    (2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

    (3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:

    (a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked.

    (b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty.

    (c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.

    (4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

    (a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

    (b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

    (c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

    (5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

    (6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.
    So the short answer is that carry is legal, but you might be arrested anyway.

    As far as the OP's question... I don't know, but again it would be technically legal to carry anyway unless the security is present even on non-game days.
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    Tank summed the details up nicely. I think the reality is that CU bans all weapons and you WILL be arrested if are found to be carrying concealed. Successfully prosecuted, perhaps not. But definitely arrested and prosecuted.

    A test case might be useful and since I don't have to pay for your legal bills...
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    I avoid Boulder like the plague.. they have their own rules. That's why it is often referred to as 'the independent republic'

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    I left it in the car for two reasons.

    First, I couldn't verify if they had screening equipment prior to getting there. In fact, they do no screening of any kind.

    Second, I didn't know if I was successfully prosecuted whether it would be a felony or a misdemeanor. An article I found just prior to heading out made it look like I would be facing a felony charge.

    It's too bad no gun group is suing them over this so the law can be upheld even in the People's Republic of (CU) Boulder. It would be a shame if someone had to risk themselves personally to establish this in criminal court.

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    From what I saw of the game on TV, you probably wish you hadn't attended.

    The linked story had "Unlawful Possession of Deadly Weapons on Campus (felony)" like that was the name of a law. I have read the firearms-related CRS several times and don't recall that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    From what I saw of the game on TV, you probably wish you hadn't attended.

    The linked story had "Unlawful Possession of Deadly Weapons on Campus (felony)" like that was the name of a law. I have read the firearms-related CRS several times and don't recall that one.
    Two things.

    First, I graduated from MIZZOU in 1998 and 1990. Wahoo, that was a great game!! MU 55, CU 10. I went with my nine-year-old son. We had a great time!

    It was tough on Truman the Tiger (our mascot) who does the score in pushups every time MU scores. I can't imagine doing hundreds of pushups with a great big tiger head on.

    Thank you, CU fans for treating us so well while we were decked out in our MU apparel.

    Second, you won't find the law in the CRS. You have to look for the "laws" that CU has. They get to make their own. I've been looking for the statute for a couple days and haven't found it. I doubt it's on-line. I did find the policies that mentioned expelling students and firing staff, but it's their "law" I want to see.
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    What is against the law is unlawful arrest.

    I would have sent a dollar or two for your defense fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainPacker View Post
    Second, I didn't know if I was successfully prosecuted whether it would be a felony or a misdemeanor. An article I found just prior to heading out made it look like I would be facing a felony charge.
    The student wasn't a license holder, and the weapons weren't the kind that would be covered by a CHL even if he was. THAT'S why it was unlawful.

    CU regulations have the force of law, but the question is whether they can override laws passed by the legislature. I note that they don't ignore pay raised passed by the legislature for their employees.
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    I'm going to the Nebraska game! wOOt!!

    I doubt I'll have my license by then so it shouldn't be an issue.

    I go to UNC and they have a policy against CCW on campus despite it not being against the law.

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