Question about paper PA CCW permit

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    Question about paper PA CCW permit

    I just got a non-resident PA permit. Didin't need it since I have a FL resident, just doing my part for Centre County and as JIC for my upcoming trip to Pittsburgh over Christmas. I got it no problem, but....

    What an odd size permit, and just on plain paper. I looked, but couldn't find anything. Is it OK to laminate this or shrink it to wallet size? There's no photo on it.

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    Last time I checked -

    I added the photo, scanned the permit, reduced it to ID size printed and laminated the whole thing. Last time I called, the nice lady that answered the phone said a legible copy was fine.

    If there ever is a question, the LEO will call it in anyway to verify its still valid regardless of the condition of the paper.

    Made reasonable sense to me.

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    Yep, you can laminate it and then just fold it once.

    § 33.115. Pennsylvania license to carry firearms.
    (c) The form is designed to be folded in half and may be laminated.
    At the option of the entity furnishing the form, the paper weight of each part may be a minimum of 14 pounds up to a maximum of 28 pounds, and impressions may be produced by utilizing either carbon inserts or no carbon required (NCR) paper.
    Forms shall be numbered in numerical sequence and the size of the license numbers shall be at least 3/16 of an inch. The first two numbers shall be the county location code followed by the license number—for example, if the license was issued by Dauphin County, the license number would be 22-0000001, and so on.

    Don't cold laminate it at home though.
    Have it Hot Laminated.
    Lots of places do it. Mailboxes does Hot Laminating.
    Trust me it's worth it.

    No in PA you must have your valid and lawfully issued License To Carry on your person at all times when you are carrying...and not a reduced copy.
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    I laminated mine at staples. Be sure to ask them to use a laminate thin enough so you can fold it easily. A lot of places will use 5mil which is a bit thick, try for 3mil. Mine came out great.
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    I carry my permits in a card case so I reduced it to fit. I took the orginial and laminated it and folded it just in case I needed it.
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    Reducing the size in PA.

    Forms shall be numbered in numerical sequence and the size of the license numbers shall be at least 3/16 of an inch.

    I know that years ago I called the PA State Police to ask about carrying a "size reduced copy" of the large PA paper LTC and was told "No" ~ That was back before we got issued nifty plastic drivers license type LTCs here in Allegheny County.

    That was years ago but, as far as I know - I would not risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Forms shall be numbered in numerical sequence and the size of the license numbers shall be at least 3/16 of an inch.

    I know that years ago I called the PA State Police to ask about carrying a "size reduced copy" of the large PA paper LTC and was told "No" ~ That was back before we got issued nifty plastic drivers license type LTCs here in Allegheny County.

    That was years ago but, as far as I know - I would not risk it.


    Gee, QK, my county sheriff actually simultaneously gives out two permits, both with raised seal, one large and one reduced copy of the large permit to the size of a credit card. He instructs the CCW permitee to keep the large one in a safe place and to carry the small one. I'd beg to differ with the PSP on the opinion you were given.
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    California's, you know the endangered species version, are paper, at least in Madera COunty and cannot be laminated or copied. Kind of silly but at least you can get one here.
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    You should be good to go then.
    I would just suggest that a member call and get up to date info before they bet the bank on an ordinary reduced Xerox.
    My best guess is that your reduced License To Carry with the raised seal is obviously considered to be legal and valid when an ordinary reduced and unauthorized Xerox copy may not be. It's an interesting question.
    If I have time this week I may be able to make a few phone calls and get some more exact and specific information.
    I'm glad that you posted that. It's helpful information.



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    Gee, QK, my county sheriff actually simultaneously gives out two permits, both with raised seal, one large and one reduced copy of the large permit to the size of a credit card. He instructs the CCW permitee to keep the large one in a safe place and to carry the small one. I'd beg to differ with the PSP on the opinion you were given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    That was back before we got issued nifty plastic drivers license type LTCs here in Allegheny County.
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    Huh - I just got my LTCF in Cumberland County in May and it's credit card sized and laminated.
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    His larger paper one is a Non-Resident License To Carry.
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