Any one heard of this/experienced this?
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November 18th, 2007 02:33 PM
Any one heard of this/experienced this?
Saw this on the news the other day. Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but think there is some indirect relevance to CC, or at least from a tactical perspective.
In a nutshell, it says that all newer verizon cell phones generate an audible alarm when calling 911. Not so great if trying to call covertly while something is going down.
Just wondered how much of it was media BS and how much is true.
Here's the link. If you go to the page, they have a video clip.:
Verizon customer calls phone alarm 'dangerous'
06:36 PM CST on Friday, November 9, 2007
By CLARA TUMA
An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said could be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
“I think it’s a danger to everyone,” she says.
Carol, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of making herself or her land a target for vandals, called for help recently when she arrived at some vacant property she owns in east Austin and found her security chain gone.
She grabbed her new Casio G’zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911.
Fearing vandals were still on the property, she hung up and hid, then put her hand over the earpiece and dialed again to muffle the sounds.
“I was afraid the criminals were down the driveway and they would hear and they would know somebody was doing something and they would come out to stop me,” she said.
The alarm is not ear-splitting, but it is loud enough to be heard at least several yards away.
Turns out, Verizon said the 911 alarm is on all its new phones. Verizon said the audible tone is required by the Federal Communications Commission.
The FCC, however, said that’s not so.
Here’s what Verizon Spokeswoman Sheryl Sellaway said:
“The tone our customer experienced is our interpretation of Section 255 of the Telecommunications Act calling for a provider of telecommunications service to offer service that is accessible and usable by individuals with disabilities. The tone, indicating that 911 has been dialed, is one of several features designed to make wireless service is accessible and easy to use, especially for those with disabilities. Other features include a voice command key where customers can use their voice to dial by name or number; a voice echo feature so that a person who can't see can hear the number or letter if sending a text; read back text messages and speech output of signal strength, battery strength, missed calls, voicemail, roaming, time and date.”
Sellaway said Verizon is concerned that Carol is unhappy with her service. She said Carol’s is the first complaint about the tone.
But the FCC said Section 255 of the Telecommunications Code requires that phones let a caller know a 911 call is underway, but does not require an audible alarm.
“The Commission has not implemented any rules pursuant to Section 255 that would require the use of any tones concerning 911 calls,” a spokesman said.
The FCC said it has not had any complaints about 911 alarms.
Back in Austin, Carol said she worries about someone trying to unobtrusively get help -- maybe during a robbery or a kidnapping -- only to have the alarm alert criminals to their whereabouts.
She said she’s lucky, because vandals had already left her property when she called police back in September.
Now she said she carries an old beat-up phone with her phone on her property because though it’s falling apart, it will still call 911 -- quietly.
November 18th, 2007 02:33 PM
November 18th, 2007 02:39 PM
I wonder if that feature can be turned off after purchasing the phone!!! Go reason to stay with my current carrier.
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November 18th, 2007 02:43 PM
Apparently it can't be disabled.
Originally Posted by SailorWatson
November 18th, 2007 03:07 PM
If the BG can hear the alarm from "several yards away" what do you think he's going to hear when you are talking (even in a whisper) to the 911 operator? If you are so scared that a BG is going to find you and kill you that you are calling 911 maybe you should arm yourself first...
November 18th, 2007 03:13 PM
i read an article that said new cellphones can be tapped even with them off
I found the website: http://pcworld.about.com/news/Apr142005id120407.htm
Last edited by Duisburg; November 18th, 2007 at 03:13 PM.
Reason: found the site
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November 18th, 2007 03:48 PM
They can be. The only way around it is to remove the battery from the phone.
Originally Posted by Duisburg
November 18th, 2007 03:55 PM
Just another reason why I wont give another dime to Verizon.
November 18th, 2007 04:06 PM
I just can't believe Verizon's moronic marketing stupidity!
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November 18th, 2007 04:12 PM
Frag i have no idea if they actually do call . Verizon is my carrier but my razor is a couple of years old . The feature can be turned off if they do , now if Verizon will turn it off for you is another question . Myself i hack my own phones for the features i want be dammed what the carrier wants . This is not illegal , but does void the warranty from verizon, so you best be confident when you seem edit a phone since its easy to make a paperweight . I just started because i demanded direct transfer of images and ringtones between my computer and my phone ... wound up with soo much more including a nifty cellular modem that will access any dial up account to check email ect and over bluetooth if needed lol .
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November 18th, 2007 04:31 PM
I have Sprint for my personal and Verizon for my work cell. About 3 months ago I got huge bills for both, tlo the tune of $600 each. Apparently someone can tap your signal and download ringtones, songs, etc and it will be charged to your bill. I called Verizon and told them, these weren't my charges, look at my past bills, I don't download anything on my phone. They said I was still responsible for the bill. I called Sprint expecting the same response, not so they took the charges off my account. As for a phone that chimes when 911 is called, thank the Clintons for that.
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November 18th, 2007 04:40 PM
I have a simple Nokia phone that is several years old, and I'm happy with what it does for me, for the most part. (I'd like it to have more memory for text messages and contact names, but that's about it.)
Originally Posted by Fragman
I note that a lot of phones nowadays are equipped with GPS, which I fear will very soon be used to keep tabs on where people are with their phones. The companies will hype that the phone can help you locate a pizza joint or a post office, but I don't want people to be able to know where I'm calling them from -- period. I know that authorities can sort of triangulate a person's location as it is, but I don't want to, say, call in sick to work and have them say, "Um, Jeff, how come you're at the movies?" !
With the way people can scam phones and cause charges to be put on your bill, etc. (as reported here) isn't it amazing that we've built a whole telecommunications industry and system on such a house of cards, so subject to fraud?! It's ridiculous.
Note: when I clicked the link it said "page not found". Is this story verified?
November 18th, 2007 04:45 PM
If it can't be disabled, then I'd have to dial .40 in a threat, BG situation.
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November 18th, 2007 05:58 PM
I don't have one. Cellphones don't work everywhere up here.
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November 18th, 2007 06:12 PM
The newer phones that have been released in the past year automatically kick gps in when 911 is called, for tracking reasons. Also the homeland security has requested a feature that can and will kill all cellphone signals nationwide at the trip of a switch for national security. Sounds far fetched but true.
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November 18th, 2007 06:46 PM
Since I can't find a site that confirms this allegation about Verizon's new phones, and the link won't work (see above) can anyone confirm this story?
As it happens, coincidentally, someone on a disc golf website I go to posted a link to this very phone (!) tonight recommending it for disc golfers because it is water resistant. I responded with what I had read here but admitted that I had not confirmed the rumor.
Can anyone do so?
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