November 30th, 2007 11:13 PM
November 30th, 2007 11:18 PM
I always carry with one in the chamber. I will tell you though that when I first started carrying, it took me about 6 months to get to that stage. Now, I wouldn't think of doing it any other way.
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November 30th, 2007 11:24 PM
I carry 12 + 1 in my XD .40, wouldn't have it any other way. Why carry if it isn't ready to use immediately?
I went with the XD because of its point-and-shoot simplicity, no manual safeties to fumble with in a stressful situation.
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November 30th, 2007 11:41 PM
December 1st, 2007 02:44 AM
Of course I do. If I wasn't going to carry my gun in the manner it was designed to be carried, with a round in the chamber, why wouldn't I just carry a rock or a hammer?
Do you guys carry with a round in the chamber?
In a situation where you need to defend yourself, you will be doing well to actually have time to draw and get the gun into action. Why would I want to hamstring myself by needing to take an extra half to full second to chamber a round before I can use my gun? Chances are, while you are trying to chamber that round in the panic of the situation, with your fine motor skills now non-existent do to the adrenalin dump, you will be killed before you can chamber the round and fire.
If you don't feel comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, I would respectfully encourage you to carry a revolver so you can keep the chamber directly under the hammer empty.
Modern semi auto firearms are designed to be carried safely with a round chambered. Do carry with out a round chambered is to surrender to an irrational fear.
December 1st, 2007 03:29 AM
December 1st, 2007 08:44 AM
Always, If you can't trust the gun to be safe with a chambered load, DON'T carry it.
Carry in good health. Stay in good health by carrying!
December 1st, 2007 08:50 AM
Absolutely chambered, every one of them, safety off on my carry (double action, firing pin disengaged/blocked with hammer down, quality holster).
Milliseconds count in an emergency.
December 1st, 2007 10:17 AM
Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.
Condition 1 - Also known as "cocked and locked," means a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.
Condition 3 - The chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, hammer is down and no magazine is in the gun.
Condition 1 for me.
Racking the slide or cocking the hammer to make a point is Hollywood garbage. You won't have time for that and if I point a weapon at someone I intend to kill them, not scare them.
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December 1st, 2007 10:24 AM
No, unless it has a manual safety. I'm too much of a newbie to trust myself. I know all the reasons (and rightly so) to have one in the chamber but just not confident enough in my carrying to go there...yet.
ps. Kenpo, thank you for your judicial, thoughtful, and objective insight as to why we should have one in the chamber. Up till now I didn't know that I was irrational, fearful, and stupid. Here we go again...
December 1st, 2007 10:51 AM
My understanding for the reason behind the israelis doing this was that originally, when their army was formed, they were armed with a load of dated, surplus weapons. Essentially the best they could afford or get at the time. Due to the questionable safety of the mechanics of these 'junkers', they carried unchambered. I don't think it is a practice they are continuing to do today.
Originally Posted by KenpoTex
Of course, I could be way off mark, but thats what I heard somewhere.
Your modern, well maintained firearms do not have this issue. They are made to be carried chambered. Thats how they are supposed to be carried and thats how I always carry.
Though it is interesting that the Glock Owners Manual advises that civilians carry their gun unchambered. Maybe LEO and military get 'special' Glocks?
All that said. No-one here has any right to TELL someone HOW to carry. All we can do is give advice.
It would certainly burn me for some internet expert to tell me I was irrational or stupid. That stuff just isn't necessary. and really, it undermines the purpose of this forum. We're here to HELP, not demean the newbies. Nearly everyone who chooses to start off carrying condition 3 eventually moves on to condition 2 or 1. They are moving in the right direction. Anything that gets them to start carrying is good in my book. And someone who err's on the side of safety is much preferable to the alternative of someone who err's on the dangerous side. Makes us all look better.
Last edited by Fragman; December 1st, 2007 at 12:22 PM.
December 1st, 2007 11:07 AM
A round in the chamber is well advised. If the need arose, you may not have enough time to draw, rack and shoot with any accuracy. One less thing to do and at times just drawing is cutting it close in a stressful situation.
December 1st, 2007 11:15 AM
Is this a trick question?
December 1st, 2007 11:38 AM
Always, as if confronted by a BG you will most likely not have time to rack a slide.
Just my thoughts! Be safe.
December 1st, 2007 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Joe R
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