Rant about workplace policy for armed assailant in company building
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November 22nd, 2007 01:46 AM
I am also frustrated by the incredible stupidity of people. Once, in San Francisco, I was sitting in a fast food restaraunt with my wife and a friend. We noticed a man in the median strip of the road, obviously drunk, stepping into traffic, the back onto the grassy median. He also was staggering, and several times nearly fell into oncoming traffic. I used a cell phone to dial 911, thinking that the man would be better off spending a day in a cell than eternity in a box. I was ON HOLD after dialing 911, waiting for a dispatcher to take my call. Then, after reporting the incident. I sat there and watched for quite a while. I never saw a police car. Call 911 and police will be there like that. Yeah, right.
November 22nd, 2007 02:45 AM
I find this, like most similar policies, sad. I'm lucky to work in a place where there's no policy (I've heard that weapons are a no-no, but not from anyone in authority) about firearms/carrying, so when my CCW comes in, it's there.
What disturbs me about the policy in the OP:
Ummm..."someone"? Hrmm, OK, here's my scenario - a friend of an employee, or an ex employee, someone, finds about about this policy. Goes on a rampage, shoots a few. The rest of the sheep follows this policy. Go into an unoccupied area, fire a few shots to simulate the police (who were of course there in a snap of the fingers) neutralizing the threat. Then go around to the "locked" offices and give them the all-clear. Then when they open up the doors...have at it again.
Stay there until someone gives you the all-clear.
This is similar to the "code red" policy they instituted in my high school when Columbine happened. One part of the procedure said "If you're in a classroom, lock the door, and hide. Don't let anyone in." Another part said "If you're in a hallway, get into the nearest classroom." Does anyone see a problem here?
It's funny, whenever I asked for a clarification on the policy, I never got an answer.
I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code
Semper Vigilans et Paratus
November 22nd, 2007 02:59 AM
Well, that depends on what you call police for... and what else is going on.
Originally Posted by Squawker
"Just blame Sixto"
I reserve the right to make fun, point and laugh etc.
November 22nd, 2007 07:09 AM
My workplace has a similar policy. If an armed intruder starts rampaging, go to an office, lock the door, grab the phone and hide under a desk. Of course it's security policy to lock the office when the occupant leaves, so it's likely the door will be locked when the employee needs to hide. Not to mention there's 300 employees working in open cubicles and about 50 offices---be quick!
This is in a long narrow multi-story building with a stairwell and exit at each end. My plan A is if I hear shooting at one end, I'm departing ASAP at the other end.
November 22nd, 2007 10:35 AM
Fortunately I own my small company of 20 employees. Our company policy permits CHL holder having their handguns on them except where client policy prohibits. (i.e. refinery, ports, etc.) In fact, we try to periodically go to the gunrange for an afternoon of shooting. I also setup CHL classes so that the employees could obtain their permits.
Recently, we fired an employee who had only been on the job for 3 days for cause. Everyone was uncomfortable with this individual as he made numerous statements about guns, Jews, etc. Needless to say he would have found a heavily armed unwelcoming committee had he tried to come back and take revenge!
November 22nd, 2007 10:38 AM
It is a brilliant! If enough people follow this plan chances are the BG will be out of ammo before he can shoot the guy who wrote this policy.
"If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan
November 22nd, 2007 11:48 AM
November 22nd, 2007 11:24 PM
Funny, sad, and true all at the same time! Ugh, I feel bad for laughing at that!
Originally Posted by obxned
November 22nd, 2007 11:42 PM
You could have said something to the effect of, "What do you think the chances are that the administrators at Virginia tech thought the very same thing? Well, at least the police got there "like that" *snap* and were able to limit the death toll to only 32..."
Originally Posted by grady
I am very glad for you that you decide to carry despite the moronic rule. One day you might end up being the hero who saves dozens of defenseless lives--or just one that's very important to you (your own).
There's not much point to this post other than my exasperation about how stupid people can be. I am entirely comfortable carrying in that job, and I am entirely comfortable looking for another job if I should be found out.
November 22nd, 2007 11:51 PM
I agree with you: I owe my allegience to my wife and daughter, and not to an employer who wants me to line up and be slaughtered if an armed person comes to call. It's up to me to preserve my life so I can be there for my family.
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
I shudder when I realize I used to think just like that misguided administrator. Those days are done. I worked today, with one on the hip and one in the Smartcarry.
November 23rd, 2007 11:09 PM
Here's a better policy, because it at least makes everyone a moving target, is easy to remember because it rhymes, and may confuse the shooter:
WHEN IN TROUBLE, WHEN IN DOUBT,
RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!
Perhaps you should ask for clarification of the policy, for instance, "What is the policy for when I am cornered, a gun is aimed at me, and all my coworkers have been shot?"
Last edited by paramedic70002; November 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 PM.
Reason: add info
"Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18
Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
November 24th, 2007 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Holdcard
These are the people who fully justify our wish that they be the first ones picked off...
I can't feel bad about hoping that the BGs take them out. Stupidity such as that is criminal.
Clearly, there are places that even if the police are fully unoccupied and even if you call about the direst of circumstances it's still going to be long over when they finally are able to arrive even at top speed.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
November 25th, 2007 08:33 PM
Hmm, in our office, we have an armed assailant policy too.
If we have the opportunity, we shoot them.
November 26th, 2007 11:21 AM
This is one I don't think we will get in our favor. Yes, a good part of the time, they don't allow it because it makes people feel better. The other big part of it is that their insurance would go through the roof if they allowed it, so its also a cost decision (probably based on the insurance company's poor perception that less firearms = less risk)
Originally Posted by packin_glock
November 26th, 2007 11:44 AM
Yes they will....in a few minutes, WITH GUNS. that's right, lady, the police will be here....within 20 minutes...WITH GUNS.
Originally Posted by grady
The people you are depending on to DEFEND your LIFE will do so WITH GUNS.
Hmmm....You will eliminate the middle man when buying a cell phone online, but WILL NOT eliminate the middle man when DEFENDING YOUR LIFE.
Anyone who has ever fired a gun knows it takes half a second to point and pull a trigger....will the cops be here in half a second?
or even less than a minute?
sorry, That's just a dumb comment, and one made by a person who would most likely be dead if she happened to be there when it all went wrong.
Eliminate the middle man...carry your OWN gun. I support you in that, Grady.
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