Poll: When do you feel lethal force is justified?

This is a discussion on Poll: When do you feel lethal force is justified? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Those choosing to carry a firearm or other tool have agreed to accept the responsibility of deciding when to apply lethal force to the commission ...

View Poll Results: When is your use of lethal force justified?

Voters
177. You may not vote on this poll
  • Disrespectful glance, speech or behavior.

    4 2.26%
  • Highly insulting, lewd or disgusting behavior.

    2 1.13%
  • Furtive movement.

    0 0%
  • Theft, low-cost.

    5 2.82%
  • Theft, high-cost.

    3 1.69%
  • Burglary, including B&E to get there.

    32 18.08%
  • Threatening speech or behavior.

    8 4.52%
  • Assault and battery against someone else.

    27 15.25%
  • Assault and battery against you.

    43 24.29%
  • Robbery against someone else.

    5 2.82%
  • Robbery against you.

    6 3.39%
  • Rape.

    12 6.78%
  • Attempted Murder.

    25 14.12%
  • Murder.

    5 2.82%
Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 67

Thread: Poll: When do you feel lethal force is justified?

  1. #1
    VIP Member Array ccw9mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    25,762

    Question Poll: When do you feel lethal force is justified?

    Those choosing to carry a firearm or other tool have agreed to accept the responsibility of deciding when to apply lethal force to the commission of crimes we witness. Irrespective of the laws that may apply to you, consider the following ...

    Question: Using the rough scale of crimes noted above, at what point would you feel that your use of lethal force would be justified in order to stop the situation from going any further?

    Responses may vary quite a bit, based on your experiences, training, how you were raised. Please attempt to answer without regard to the legality of actions you may perform. This poll is intended to see what people think, irrespective of what the State deems appropriate.

    Note that the responses are private. If you feel like expanding on your answer, feel free to comment below.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    Senior Member Array Packman73's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Ground zero of the invasion
    Posts
    671
    Where's the poll?

  4. #3
    Member Array chiboxer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    midwest
    Posts
    397
    Not to be too technical but the following is the justification for the use of deadly force in WI: too prevent death and/or great bodily harm to you or another person. Great bodily harm is defined as the permanent loss of function of a major limb, eye, etc.
    Si vis pacem, parabellum

  5. #4
    Member Array OfClanMcnab's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    205
    The answer, of course, is "disrespectful glance, speech, or behavior."

  6. #5
    VIP Member
    Array OPFOR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Nomad
    Posts
    4,706
    IMO, no crime (in and of itself) warrants deadly force. Unless the crime is happening TO YOU, RIGHT NOW, and has reasonably put you in fear for your life/grave bodily injury, then you shouldn't kill. The State, after determining guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, is the only entity that can kill AFTER the crime. (Or am I misunderstanding the question?)
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

  7. #6
    Senior Member Array press1280's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    WV
    Posts
    750
    Bodily harm to myself or others. However,brandishing if people are stealing my stuff is OK with me. If they then come after me,then of course,bodily harm to myself or others. Some states,though,will tell you a gun pretty much has to be pointed at your head before you can even draw.

  8. #7
    Member Array ENSANE1970's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    SC
    Posts
    199
    Wow, that's alot of options. Except for the verbal options, I'll just choose to be in condition Orange/Red as usual and hope to make the right decision.
    If you want a battle of the wit's, please come armed.

    Ron Paul Revolution 2008!!!

    NRA Member

  9. #8
    Distinguished Member Array bandit383's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    1,681
    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    IMO, no crime (in and of itself) warrants deadly force. Unless the crime is happening TO YOU, RIGHT NOW, and has reasonably put you in fear for your life/grave bodily injury, then you shouldn't kill.
    Agreed...that's the part that invariably gets adjudicated (bold)...the main thrust of concealed carry (vice home/business protection).

    Rick

  10. #9
    Member Array DrSal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    159
    When you or your family are in danger of death/rape/assault...or when there is any unwelcomed intruder in your home/vehicle. Property is not worth life in many states and you WILL be prosecuted.

  11. #10
    VIP Member Array ccw9mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    25,762
    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    ... am I misunderstanding the question?
    The question simply asks folks to specify at what point one feels justified to employ lethal force to stop a crime. Of course, there's leveraging the threat of lethal force (ie, drawing), and there's the actual use of it (ie, shooting). The primary point of the question is to explore what people think WITHOUT the state's limitations being any guideline or factor.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

  12. #11
    Senior Moderator
    Array HotGuns's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    14,817
    When I fear for my life.

    You didnt put that up there.
    The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it...- George Orwell

    AR. CHL Instr. 07/02 FFL
    Like custom guns and stuff? Check this out...
    http://bobbailey1959.wordpress.com/

  13. #12
    Senior Member Array blueyedevil's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    615
    Right before I hear "BANG".

  14. #13
    Member Array SEMO Shooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    16
    You may personally feel that many of those poll selections were reason to use lethal force. In Missouri you better be able to convince the prosecutor or jury that you reasonably believed you or another were in imminent fear of severe injury, death, rape, sodomy, kidnapping, or severe injury from robbery, burglary or arson. If not there is a high probability that you will be prosecuted.

  15. #14
    Member Array dang.45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Wherever I may wander...
    Posts
    315
    "Assault & battery against someone else" was my vote - my assumption is that the "someone else" is a loved one. I assume most who voted for "assault & battery against you" would agree if the person being attacked were your spouse/child/parent/etc...
    "It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had a right to choose: his own." - John Galt, from Atlas Shrugged

  16. #15
    VIP Member Array Supertac45's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Michigan's U.P.
    Posts
    3,657
    Depends on too much to post.
    Les Baer 45
    Sig Man
    N.R.A. Patron Life Member
    M.C.R.G.O.

Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute?
    By Concealed Carry in forum Defensive Carry & Tactical Training
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: November 24th, 2012, 10:37 PM
  2. Thoughts Regarding the Lapse Between Lethal and Non-Lethal Force
    By littlejon126 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: October 9th, 2009, 05:34 AM
  3. Is a chair cause for lethal force?
    By ExactlyMyPoint in forum Carry & Defensive Scenarios
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: July 10th, 2009, 10:25 AM
  4. lethal force?
    By titleist in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: May 31st, 2007, 08:14 PM
  5. Can *you* exercise non-lethal force?
    By xsquidgator in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: October 20th, 2006, 05:53 PM

Search tags for this page

4 thresholds deadly force

,

ccw when is it legal to draw colorado

,

missoouri justified lethat defense

,

when is lethal force justified in missouri

,

when to you force

,

wv justified force

,

wv justified use of deadly force

Click on a term to search for related topics.