Handgun to rifle

Handgun to rifle

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    Handgun to rifle

    Ok slightly tongue in cheek here and was not sure whether to post in 'scenarios'' or not.

    The old adage - ''use your handgun to get to your rifle'' made me wonder something. I cannot legally (as in TX IIRC) carry my rifle in the truck loaded and ready to rock.

    So let us postulate that I am caught in an extreme situation - multiple aggressors, and need to fight my way to my vehicle to retrieve my rifle - which let's say is an SKS or AK. It is stowed under rear seat of crew cab - and a full mag is to hand somewhere close but - not inserted, chamber is empty.

    How viable do you think it would be, to get this combo into play when under pressure?? Grab rifle, grab mag - insert, rack and be ready. Depends of course on how close assailants are, I grant you but - ''fumble-itis'' does tend to set in under pressure .

    I stress, this is very tongue in cheek and probably not too likely I hope! Imagine if you will you were the poor guy who perished in Tyler at the courthouse incident - and your rifle was not at the ready - how might you play it - with incoming.!! He of course had no such option.
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    Thumbs up Good Food For Thought

    Facing Multiple Armed Assailants?
    I could see myself dying in my vehicle while going for an unloaded rifle secured in one location & my rifle mags in another.

    Just my humble 2 pesos but, I would go with a "dead on" keyed in laser on my primary handgun & spare extra capacity mags.

    For you...Chris & with your extensive shooting background (under your belt) there is probably nothing you couldn't do with your primary handgun that you could do better with a rifle at defensive distances.
    I could see a very dangerous couple/few minutes when your mental focus would be off your immediate deadly threat...while you're concentrating on getting your rifle ready.
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    Hehe - I stress again QK this is VERY tongue in cheek .

    I conjured this up because it is often reckoned that the handgun is not the most effective tool - certainly it does lack the potential that a rifle has! Furthermore, if we consider distance factors then again, the handgun loses out. Thus the saying ''The handgun is a means to reach your rifle''!

    Much as anything this was exploring what one might do when really pressed - needing more firepower and effectiveness - which a rifle could bring. Add to that the likelehood that rifle would not be ''instant ready'' then that presents an interesting complication.

    Humor me - I am playing with extreme situations! Imagine maybe a ''ghetto hoard'', intent on seeing you as history.
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    Interesting Problem

    OK...assuming that you do need to get to your (in vehicle) rifle then maybe a bolted down "fingerprint recognition" lock box for your rifle mags would eliminate some possible adrenaline rush fumble-itus.
    That way you could keep your loaded rifle mags in close proximity to your rifle & would still probably comply with the requirements of the law.
    I think you can get a basic (no frills) fingerprint recognition lock box for a bit more than $200.00 these days. That might help some.
    OK...I'm out of ideas!

    I'll be curious to read what other folks add to this.

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    I don't have a truck, so in my case trunk guns really are trunk guns. The primary trunk gun to end all trunk guns for me is a G1 FAL with scope set on the lowest (3x) setting, and an inserted, loaded 20 round magazine. There is a round chambered. The safety is on. There is a small bag with eight additional loaded mags.

    If I need to get to that and stop a problem, I'm good to go - the FAL is the gun I train with the most in rifle-land, and I can point shoot against a human-sized target within reason as far as I'll likely be a target myself even if the optics go down.

    I used to cheap out and keep a Mauser in the trunk, but realized one day that should I ever need the monster in the trunk, I wanted it to be a monster I would pick rather than Murphy my way through.
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    Chris --

    I get the feeling that unless you were dealing with some sort of distance issue where the rifle would come in handy, that your pistol would do the job as well. Because it's not legal for you to store the rifle loaded legally in the truck, you might be better off carrying several extra magazines (you carry a Sig 226 right?) in the truck.

    To me, the disadvantages of having to load the rifle from magazines that are stored in a different spot, outweigh the advantages that you might pick up by having the rifle.

    Just my 0.02.

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    Robert is I assume OK to have loaded in trunk in ID - and FAL is darned good choice.

    True enough re spare mags ff (yeah, SIG carry).

    This lil' thought provoker tho is let's say needing fleshing out - I need to imagine some finite data... however absurd OK - I am parked up out in the boonies, having stopped to inspect a small creek for useful fishing in the future. I happen however (unwittingly) to have stopped not too far from an extremist neo-nazi meeting. These folks are cranked up on some dope or other and respond to noticing an intruder (as they see it) too close to their camp.

    A small group comes my way and starts loosing off from a range of say 50 yards, not all handgun shots either - at which stage I am already ducking and diving toward truck, replying on move with not very effective supressive fire - get-away is ideal choice but that has to take second place to defensive tactics.

    So far - handgun and suitable cover might cut it - but I notice beyond the small group another larger group already heading over - so the problem is - distance and too many opposition!! Need rifle!!

    There we are then - half-baked scenario - absurd maybe but, the reason for getting to rifle. I guess considering further in this fantasy, there would be only one option which would be taking cover on far side of truck and opening door to get rifle and load and make ready.

    Of course - bottom line here I think would be - ''I am screwed" .... LOL - better to get out the prayer mat!
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    Well, you're in PA, so this may not be quite so likely, but in south Texas it would not be too far fetched to see being involved in a MVA with a truck/van load of "non-visa holding migrant laborers" and their armed escort, possibly with some other contraband along for the ride. Most likely to run, but WCS....

    Honestly, your best option with multiple, imminent, threats (to you), I would say is still your carry pistol. When I lived in Wichita, and in Houston, I carried at least 3 mags for a Glock 19. Overwhelming assault is your best defense. Something like the Tyler courthouse shooting is where I would envision a rifle; you are aware of the threat, but have time to "gather yourself". A .30-30 or .308 COM, with another one or two as you approached the downed BG would be fairly decisive and timely.

    You could upgrade to something like this, if you feel you HG might not be adequate:
    http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cf...TOKEN=72897450

    $1495 + liscensing, when I checked.

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    Given that scenario I think your best chance for survival would be to run.

    The real question is, how good are you at praying while running at full speed with bullets whizzing over your head?

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    If I was in the scenario of the Texas courthous, out the back door to the trunk, grab rifle, ( in this case, Mosin Nagant. Body armor schmody armor - 7.62x54R silvertip will go through what our boys are wearing now - ask them.), and open fire. Reality? I don't have a trunk rifle, due to having to leave my vehicle unattended for 12 hours at a time at a van pool pickup spot, and if I drove it to work, the rifle is NOT allowed on the complex - inmates do parking lot cleanup, and allowing them access to a loaded rifle would be baaaad....
    So, it's me, my CZ, and 29 doses of 9mm felon repellant....
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    I don't know the origin of the adage, but I suspect it was coined by someone who assumed the long gun to be loaded. That would mean the person is either LE or a scofflaw, or was living in a state where civilians can transport loaded long guns. If your vehicle is in the combat zone, then stopping your defensive fire long enough to extract, assemble and/or load your rifle/shotgun is probably not a viable option. If your vehicle is not in the combat zone, and you have the opportunity to disengage long enough to retreat to your vehicle for additional firepower, then it becomes a more viable option.
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    Tom357, I believe the quote is from Clint Smith.

    Here is the full quote:

    "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down". -Clint Smith

    Also a few cool tests that drive this point home:

    http://theboxotruth.com/bot16.htm
    Last edited by joe/OH; July 20th, 2005 at 01:47 PM. Reason: added full quote

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    Question

    Shot a lot of IIA with same results--no suprises, nothing new there.

    Like magazine rifle, with loaded mags next to rifle, in case with handles.
    Keep the shotgun handy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe/OH
    Tom357, I believe the quote is from Clint Smith.

    Here is the full quote:

    "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down". -Clint Smith

    Also a few cool tests that drive this point home:

    http://theboxotruth.com/bot16.htm
    Thank you for the full quote. I think it drives the point home, too. I'll take a loaded pistol in my holster over a secured, empty, disassembled rifle in my truck. I maintain that using my pistol to fight my way back to my secured, empty, disassembled rifle, is not a very viable option. If it were loaded and ready to go, that would be a different story. If all I had to do was slap the magazine home and cycle the bolt, that would be a different story.
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    Robert is I assume OK to have loaded in trunk in ID - and FAL is darned good choice.
    We're good to go here with any permit. The requirement to keep unloaded or disassembled does not apply with permit.
    Driver carries less than $45 worth of remorse.

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