This is a discussion on Paranoid? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'll more or less echo what some others have said:
1. Women are not to be underestimated, some of the nastiest fights I've seen were ...
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December 1st, 2007 11:40 PM
I'll more or less echo what some others have said:
1. Women are not to be underestimated, some of the nastiest fights I've seen were between, or involving women.
2. In this particular case, I think you may have overreacted (at least mentally). You have to consider the specific circumstances. The way I react to a clean-cut, well groomed guy; or a little old lady at 3:00 in the afternoon will not necessarily be the way I'd react to a shifty looking guy at 2:00 in the morning. I'm NOT saying that you can judge by appearance alone but the context of the situation will influence how I handle the contact.
"Being a predator isn't always comfortable but the only other option is to be prey. That is not an acceptable option." ~Phil Messina If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears.Matt K.
December 2nd, 2007 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by BlackBear
Haha so do I I never thought about it, but it is good to do. It can keep you from getting into a situation where somebody else saw the same opportunity, only with harmful intentions.
The more you think about these things, the more prepared you will be when, if, something happens. You can never be too prepared.
December 2nd, 2007 05:16 AM
A woman with a child in a cart, approaching. Not very threatening, in and of itself. Certainly, a distraction. But, a tool for evil designs on you? Be aware of possibilities, sure, but I believe it's taking things much too far by half, to assume such a thing is the worst possibility from the outset.
That said, I certainly maintain a little distance and circumspection with any such question, where my attention is being divided. It's simply become a part of how I interact and respond. I generally know the time to within ~20mins or so, so I can easily respond without having to think or look down. I also have a pretty good "radar" and am fairly aware of those around me well before they approach. So, if someone were to ask a benign question, it cannot ring the alarm bells given how other information about the approach lacks any threat at all. Simple situational awareness helps keep things at a low simmer, so they don't boil over incorrectly. As suggested, context is everything.
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December 2nd, 2007 08:30 AM
Something we all need to keep in perspective here is location. Take my State for an example. A WalMart parking lot in St Louis can be close to a war zone. However in my town once in a great while someone may break into a car and steal a purse that is laying in plane view. Many times in cold weather you will see half a dozen cars left running and empty while the owner runs into the store. So if I was in St Louis and this happened yes I would be cautious. Here at home, I would have pushed the food cart to her car.
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December 2nd, 2007 09:35 AM
What Buz? You don't need to have a loaded gun on you while cleaning another??!! Gosh...I learn so much reading these message boards!!
December 2nd, 2007 10:38 AM
99.99% of women will not endanger their children. If she's alone with groceries & a baby, your threat level is extremely minimal.
Take a deep breath. You're ok
Be ready. You can't make an appointment for an emergency.
December 2nd, 2007 02:17 PM
There are lots of dead guys that dropped their guard because someone wasn't dangerous. While she wasn't a threat, you should always maintain your alertness, not turning it on and off.
Asking if you are paranoid is asking the wrong question. Ask yourself if you are survival oriented.
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Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
December 2nd, 2007 04:00 PM
Wow, I'd say you're pretty paranoid!
Originally Posted by takurpic
December 2nd, 2007 05:07 PM
I only dress in Thrift store clothing, pretty ratty, and never shower. That way, no one wants to be close to me, so they don't ask questions. It works out well. I learned this from a Kansas City Star columnist, er, idiot who "thinks" he is a columnist. His name is Louis Duguid. He dresses like this to see if folks will keep their distance from him. Seems to work, but I think no one likes him anyway, so they don't want to be around him...Kidding about my dress, not him, he is an idiot.
Step away from the stimulants my friend.
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December 2nd, 2007 10:09 PM
I disagree. He didn't say he drew his handgun, nor did he say he put his hand on the grip... he said he put a little distance between her and him.
Originally Posted by BAC
Most important would be to look around, not just watch the woman. She could be a distraction as several others (maybe men, maybe armed men!) close in.
In this day and age, who doesn't have the time? Just about everyone has a cellular phone, and if they don't, they should have a watch. And anyone who doesn't have one or the other of those (or both)--already doesn't give a crap about the time. That's why I'd be suspicious right off the bat.
December 2nd, 2007 10:16 PM
They make some nifty watches that attach with a carabiner-type clip, that can be worn on a belt loop or elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Bonesnofoa
Do you carry a cellular phone? If you do, then you probably have the ability to have the time right there.
To me--and I don't intend this to be mean--when people don't wear a watch or have anything with them to be able to tell the time, I just think that they don't care about the time, or they never really have anything they need to do on any kind of a precise schedule. But then suddenly they need to know the time, and then they have to ask someone else--someone who bothered to keep a timepiece on him because, well, it's important sometimes to know the time. So what does the person without a timepiece do when they're not where they can ask anyone?
The simple solution is to go to Walmart and buy a cheap watch.
December 3rd, 2007 11:42 AM
After reading through these posts, it seems to me a whole lot of folks need a reality check. Good grief folks, are you going to stay hold up in your homes for the holidays? Do you dare go to any store and walk across their parking lot? Is anyone who acknowledges your presence or ask a simple question a potential adversary that you need to be on guard against?
I've been at a couple of events the past couple of weekends that have had large numbers of people. Friday evening the downtown area was pretty much wall to wall people. I had numerous folks bump into me, several bumped directly into my XD45. O my goodess! Are they trying to disarm me?? A couple of times strangers asked me a question! Good lord I'm surrounded and only have one mag with me!!
Some of you really do need to step back and chill out. You are getting in a mind set that is boarding on clinical paranoia and not just being aware of your surroundings.
If a woman with two shopping carts and a baby, who has the audacity to ask for the time is seen as a potential threat, you're developing a problem.
December 3rd, 2007 11:59 AM
That is a lovely white veil you are wearing over your eyes, digitalexplr...
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December 3rd, 2007 12:24 PM
Some folks are now depending on their cellphone instead of a watch to keep the time. Could it be that with a cart full of groceries and a baby she didn't want to go to the trouble of digging her cellphone out of her purse?
My alertness would not have gone up (no visible threat, certainly not her) and I would have politely given her the time.
Having done so, I would have circled the parking lot twice before returning to my car to ensure the whole thing wasn't an elaborate set-up.
Okay, just kidding about that last part!
December 3rd, 2007 03:05 PM
No veil at all. As a Vietnam Vet and a veteran of nearly 20 years in law enforcement, investigations and security (11 of which were as unifomed officer), and having been in all types of hairy situations, there is nothing in this scenario the should cause anyone to feel threatened.
Originally Posted by 2AMomma
If anyone sees a threat in this scenario, they have issues that they need to deal with.
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